[-] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 10 points 19 hours ago

Yes, it's in the air, it's in what he says, the lies he tells, and whose emotions they're aimed at. It's in the American exceptionalism he sells.

That's the vision the left has to fit into, and it's been done before. Bernie was doing it in 2016.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nwRiuh1Cug

Compare that coherent vision of American exceptionalism with this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk4ueY9wVtA

Tell lies that make them feel better than the lies the other guy is telling.

[-] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 5 points 19 hours ago

Other way around, greedy hands defeats America, always has done.

It's coherent and consistent for America.

Russia helped.

[-] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

They're libertarian business men who want little kingdoms of their own, they're willing to play on fascism to get it, but they're not going to be gunning people down in the streets. Especially not now interest rates are being cut by the fed, and the COVID recovery is ready to boost the economy again.

Part of why Trump won was people calling them fascist garbage and stupid. All the people Trump makes feel good about America took offense to that.

Trump bought into their offense by saying "I'm with you, I'm on your side, I'll even drive the garbage truck. Hahaha"

... and the left's only response was to double down with "you look stupid and crazy for not automatically agreeing with us, with no discussion or appeal from us".

That same cycle of LEFT: "you're a stupid crazy fascist"

RIGHT: "no we're playing to make ourseves feel happy and edgy, and unpopitician like"...

LEFT: "Well that's stupid and shouldn't be popular"

Went on for 8 years. That emotional interaction/cycle was on repeat.The majority didn't give them an off ramp or even try to appeal to them, or reason with them.

Studying fascism so you can call them fascist idiots better isn't going to change the emotions at play, if anything it's going to amplify them.

No, you have to make America's history of exploitation and greed, of racism and corruption, of international business cartels, seem good and like winning. Because that's how he makes them feel: like it's fun and good and winning to be an American.

They're saying they don't want serious politics as usual. You're saying "if I just call them fascist idiots better they'll agree with me that they're fascist idiots!"

That's not a discussion that's going to resolve any different or better by perfecting your very serious and sad and angry condemnation of them.

[-] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago

...and he makes that seem fun.

[-] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 4 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Because they have a bunch of dumb opinions no one tried to address - feminists are trying to destroy video games. Women won't date short men. Liberals are stealing girls breasts and making them trans too easily. Or giving them tattoos and making them fat. One or two chads every generation are getting all the sex, leaving them as lonely incels. Dating apps don't work anymore. They feel insecure about masculinity.

They blame women for all this, so they're not going to vote for one. Especially if no one's listening or appealing to them except the orange raisin and his American exceptionalism and edgy humor.

Get someone who appeals to them if you want thier vote, don't just sit around calling them fascist idiots, and laughing at them for being incels or Jordan Peterson fans. They need fathers and role models who actually give them structure, meaning, purpose, closure.

...someone who appeals to them. Someone who joins their story, and makes it feel coherent with their America.

[-] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Wagon, because trucks didn't really exist yet to any wide extent.

[-] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago

This video explains it well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzIaIiiZIpY

Basically Trump is a very American person, stemming from a very American history and culture.

He's not an ideal, he's not what they want American history and culture to have been. He's a product of what it actually has been.

[-] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Depends what his business interests tell him to do.

[-] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Probably nothing too obvious.

Some supreme court justices are going to take the opportunity retire though, so it will be a Republican SCOTUS for the next two decades.

[-] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Nah, support a stable democracy, a stable transition. Due process. Avoid violence.

Because you know who would love violence to beeak out in America? Putin.

[-] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

This is like a modern day version of "from the sleep of reason comes nightmares"

[-] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

This video explains it well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzIaIiiZIpY

Basically Trump is a very American person, stemming from a very American history and culture.

He's not an ideal, he's not what they want American history and culture to have been. He's a product of what it actually has been.

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