Shimitar

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[–] Shimitar@downonthestreet.eu 2 points 8 hours ago

Thanks! That's hilarious....

[–] Shimitar@downonthestreet.eu 3 points 10 hours ago

I guess Wife Acceptance Factor, the number one parameter in home self host.

[–] Shimitar@downonthestreet.eu 1 points 13 hours ago

Yes, i hope your view is correct. Indeed he can work for whatever company he likes, but i would see that as a conflict of interest of some kind. Remember also that when you sign up with big tech companies its common that you sell them the intellectual property of all your works, even outside work hours, specially if in the sale related field. Maybe it's not his case, i have no idea.

I was concerned. Maybe i still am a bit. But the fact that systemd can always be forked (or ignored, as that is still possible today) its a comfortable thought.

[–] Shimitar@downonthestreet.eu -3 points 13 hours ago

I don't even use sudo, so i will certainly not use run0. I have nothing against run0, it make even sense if the footprint is actually smaller than sudo. I was only reporting the article posted on telegram, as i have added a note to the original post, i did not share the view reported in the copied text, but i choose to report it verbatim for clarity.

[–] Shimitar@downonthestreet.eu 1 points 13 hours ago

That is true, it's open source after all. But i am maybe too old to remember Microsoft strategies to embrace and extinguish... So i am a bit worried, like i was worried that Magisk would be crippled since the lead dev was hired by Google (and indeed, there have been very few progress on Magisk, with Kernel SU getting all the hype lately).

[–] Shimitar@downonthestreet.eu 4 points 13 hours ago

Thanks! Interesting read

[–] Shimitar@downonthestreet.eu 1 points 15 hours ago

The risk is that the IP will get banned AFTER you start sending out mail from it because it has zero reputation... IT happened to me too and it took months, if not years, to get it definitely cleared. And if you neighbour with a similar IP get infected and start spamming, it's all over again. This is the main issue with residential IPs, it's a very real issue.

To get around it, rent a VPS with a non residential IP and front the mail server there, with tunnels (wireguard+nft) back to your home mail server, so at least the public facing IP is good or has less risks or being blacklisted.

[–] Shimitar@downonthestreet.eu -1 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Again i am not interested in the technical aspect of systemd, yes i do like handling init scripts (OpenRC, not sysv...) so maybe i am a bit unconventional. The point i was trying to make was about how sustainable is having a core piece of linux that keeps growing managed by IBM and Microsoft, and if this was of concern with anybody else, which seems not to be the case.

[–] Shimitar@downonthestreet.eu 0 points 15 hours ago

Yeah the telegram post that i copied here is indeed pretty polarized against systemd, that's why i reported it integrally because that is not my view, and i think that is dumb to call names microsoft or the like. Still i find it concerning that microsoft and IBM controls somehow systemd and what that means, if it gets even more rooted inside everything in linux.

[–] Shimitar@downonthestreet.eu 1 points 15 hours ago

Cool! Maybe for a tight, small system is good? Let me know if you come to conclusions.

[–] Shimitar@downonthestreet.eu 1 points 15 hours ago

This is concern indeed, but not using systemd myself, i don't care too much.

Is the fact that such a critical core compoent spanning everywhere in the system is under the control of IBM and Microsoft that concerns me.

[–] Shimitar@downonthestreet.eu -5 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

And yes you exactly waste people time :)

Jokes apart, well i think that having a core component so much linked to IBM and Microsoft is a potential danger to Linux itself. What if it was the kernel to be in the hands of Google and Microsoft? Where would Linux as we know it be going to?

This is concerning, i think. I thought it was clear from the first post. I dont want to share an opinion on how good or bad systemd is from a technical point of view, because i do not have such an opinion because i use OpenRC and never used systemd long enough to judge it from a tech pov

 

UPDATE: after many comments, let me be clear that i have nothing against systemd at a technical level. It indeed solves issues that people had and found it's way in most mainstream distros for good reasons, beside being pushed by Redhat and Debian, which makes for basically every other mainstream distro out there without much choice. I never used it long enough to judge it, and i dont intend to judge it from a technical point of view. I am worried that such a centra piece of technology deeply interwined with linux is under direct control of IBM and Microsoft (who is the employer of the systemd lead). This might mean nothing, or this could be important for the long time future of linux freedom.

I have recently been exposed to a lot of stuff against systemd.

I know its an old debate that has inflamed people for a long time, I am not looking into restarting it as I never took a stance into it in the past anyway.

I am myself a almost 30+ years power user of Linux and I have never used systemd much myself since it never fixed any issues I had with the previous approaches, and since I am a good user of Gentoo, always loved the freedom to just keep using OpenRC and din't ever bother with systemd.

I like the Unix approach and at the same time, if it is not broken don't fix it, is my basic idea. So my approach to systemd has been not of dislike, rather of I don't care, I don't need it. And I never needed it anyway.

After reading trough most of the links below I start to think that maybe my stance could be more than simple technical.

What are other lemmy-ers idea on all this?

I didn't knew about Microsoft taking over the Linux Foundation either, and I am getting concerned about the real freedom behind my beloved Linux.

TLDR: I don't dislike systemd, I never cared about systemd. Do I need to start caring now due to all this non technical issues?

Note: i a copying verbatim the following article to stress that these are not my personal opinions and that i didnt do a proper research on the topic, except reading (most) of the links below.


(The following is a post on the #libreware telegram channel on the 7th/8th of February 2025)

Lennart Poettering intends to replace "sudo" with #systemd's run0. Here's a quick PoC to demonstrate root permission hijacking by exploiting the fact "systemd-run" (the basis of uid0/run0, the sudo replacer) creates a user owned pty for communication with the new "root" process.

This isn't the only bug of course, it's not possible on Linux to read the environment of a root owned process but as systemd creates a service in the system slice, you can query D-BUS and learn sensitive information passed to the process env, such as API keys or other secrets.

https://fixupx.com/hackerfantastic/status/1785495587514638559

Nitter mirror: https://xcancel.com/hackerfantastic/status/1785495587514638559

Here are some links about #systemd #alternatives for #Linux in no particular order. Which are your favorite alternatives and distros?

https://suckless.org/sucks/systemd/

https://unixsheikh.com/articles/the-real-motivation-behind-systemd.html

https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/

https://nosystemd.org/

https://skarnet.org/software/systemd.html

https://the-world-after-systemd.ungleich.ch/

https://ewontfix.com/14/

https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=120652

https://www.devuan.org/os/announce/

https://www.devuan.org/os/init-freedom

https://thehackernews.com/2019/01/linux-systemd-exploit.html

https://judecnelson.blogspot.com/2014/09/systemd-biggest-fallacies.html

https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2016/05/18/systemd-it-keeps-getting-worse/

https://systemd-free.artixlinux.org/why.php

Some more added here too: https://start.me/p/Kg8keE/priv-sec

#systemd #Linux

 

Hi all!

This is my first post from my self-hosted Lemmy instance!

Thanks all you guys who gave me suggestions and help!

Hope you can see it, BTW :)

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