Vlyn

It's pretty damn simple actually. Let's say we fully federate with Threads, what will happen?

1. Threads gets a massive amount of users, they already have 20 million sign-ups on the first day! Their user base will be gigantic

2. We'll get a big influx of content (if Meta does the federation properly), huge communities will pop up on Threads and you'll join those communities. It's unlikely that Threads users will join communities hosted on smaller instances, why join a community with 1k users if Meta has one with 200k?

3. Now Meta controls 99% of the users AND content. They can switch off federation at any moment. Maybe they cover it with "we have a new cool feature, but it breaks federation, sorry!" in that moment all our Lemmy instances lose most of their users and content. And you lose all your communities you joined

4. Lemmy users will migrate to threads, because they want their content back, the fediverse dies (except for a few hundred to thousand hold-over nerds who won't give up)

Fuck Meta.

I was talking more about when you post a comment in a fringe sub (that popped out over a link or r/all) and just because you commented there you get banned from regular subs. Even if your comment was against racism/hate.

And the bans were always without warning and arbitrary. One day you're fine, next day a shitty main sub throws you a ban out of nowhere.

If a nutjob right wing post pops up on my feed I sometimes can't resist and go in there and start to discuss. Not like they can bring up any coherent arguments anyway.

Use one of the scripts that overwrites your comments first. Just deleting doesn't help one bit.

They also rate limit you to one action every 1.5 seconds or something.

I have the problem that every day I'm not at work it's a do nothing day :-/

No clue where people get all this motivation from.

👍 can also be sarcastic, like your contract is so dumb, I'm not even properly replying to it. Such a dumb ruling.

I've never been called either in nearly 12 years on Reddit (and being plenty active with ~120k comment karma).

Maybe if you often get called that you should re-evaluate your opinions?

Cross community censorship: For example on Reddit you wrote a comment in subreddit A (maybe even a negative one for that topic!) and then subreddits B, C and D permanently ban your account. If someone starts with that crap again they should be shunned.

Oh and verified users only communities, that sucked too.

That's really not the point. If the instance you post on is defederated from Threads and you create a valuable post (for example a lengthy review of some hardware) then Meta can't just copy your post and put it on their platform. It would be stealing/a copyright violation.

If Meta gets your content then they can (ab)use it. Put ads on it, charge to see it, mask it as their own content, whatever. So wanting to defederate from Meta is absolutely valid and if Meta steals your post you could force them to take it down.

Meta just reading the content to train AI.. not much you can do there. But putting your post up on their platform to serve to their users is a wholly different beast. Even when federated they would have to show your username@yourinstance.com and can't just say they created it.

Upvotes are not anonymous, same for downvotes.

OP should have made a strawpoll or something.

But that has always been a thing. Just like Reddit mods banning you from their subreddit just because you posted in another subreddit they didn't like. It sucks, but it's nothing new.

If either a server admin or a community mod doesn't like you for what you're doing, they can kick you out. It's the same as if this was an old time forum and you pissed off the admin.

With lemmy you have to watch two things:

1. Trust the instance admin you sign up with, this is where your account data lives, the admin can read everything on your account. Hell, even your password if they manipulated the instance code, so use a random one

2. Trust the moderators of the communities you interact with. If you interact with a community and the mods there don't like you, they can just remove your posts for example. Same as with Reddit

A random person outside of your instance or communities you interact with can't do much. They can "steal" your posts and comment data and see your votes. But that's it. They can't block your account or kick you out of your favorite communities. They could obviously harass you (just your account, not your email), but then you can block them. Or ask the admin to block their entire instance.

They might dip their toes in at first. But then you'll have 9 out of 10 big communities/users on Threads (or probably 99 out of 100 if we're realistic). And at that point if Meta defederates nobody of those users will care. Threads will become Twitter 2.0 and be its own thing, while Mastodon will be crushed with a tiny user base in comparison (which will get even smaller because most content is on Meta servers, so users switch over to Threads).

Marketing and content boost for the start maybe? Mastodon has come up a lot recently (hell, even in local radio), so Meta can use this to promote their own product. And already have content right there for users joining Threads, it's not a blank slate.

After the initial boost and when sucking up millions of users they can just defederate and have their Facebook (or rather Twitter) 2.0.