dastanktal

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[–] dastanktal@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (4 children)

The only thing I will address out of this comment since it's all full of Zionist talking points that can be easily debunked.

As I said zionism and the Colonization of Palestine has been going on since 1850.

The actions of of Zionist from this period directly contributed to the Palestinian reactions, like the Hebron Massacre.

Regardless it does not matter as no group of people deserves this type of treatment. An 85-year occupation with no autonomy.

Not a single one of those commissions you listed including the Peel Commission offered a path to a Palestinian state. Something you would know if you just weren't repeating Israeli talking points.

In every single commission the only thing Israel has offered is some sort of autonomy in name. In practice they would still control the air, the water, the border, the trade, the immigration, the electrical you know kind of like how Israel controls the West Bank almost entirely instead of the autonomy they promised to give Palestinians.

Kind of makes you wonder what the Palestinians have autonomy over.

Let's not forget that autonomy isn't the same thing as having your own State either.

There's the fact that every Palestinian including Israeli Palestinians are subject to military law instead of standard Israeli civil law like the rest of the citizens.

Dhimmni is a tax any non-muslim pays in a Muslim country. Sorry to burst your bubble but this isn't a uniquely Jewish persecution. Christians and other religious denominations also have to pay it.

Your point about the slavics having a bunch of their own different states doesn't mean anything for self-determination it doesn't discount the fact that you don't need a country for self determination. Especially considering the history of the USSR. Nice try though.

Furthermore Jewish people have had a continuous presence in Palestine for thousands of years and have lived peacefully along their neighbors for as long with only a few events the other religious minorities also suffered.

Nothing mentioned in this is unique to the Jewish people down to and including the Holocaust.

And nothing you mentioned justifies the atrocities and ethic cleansing the Israel has participated in for 85 years.

Oh and as for your Jews aren't popular refugees, refugees aren't popular refugees. No country wants to take refugees regardless of ethnicity

[–] dastanktal@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (6 children)

CNA (previously named the CNA Corporation), fully as The Center for Naval Analyses, is a federally-funded nonprofit research and analysis organization based in Arlington County, Virginia, USA.

Couldn't at least find an impartial source?

This is a bit like linking the Chinese government official website about the problems with the US.

Edit:

Regardless thank you for linking a source. I'll look into this and see what I can learn from it.

[–] dastanktal@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

I'm not necessarily hand waving away the issues you have I just think that there's plenty of countries jockeying around that'll fill the void left.

It's just a difference of opinion.

I do agree that it remains to be seen whether or not that's good or a bad thing.

[–] dastanktal@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Fair enough my point is if you're worried about world stability that there are plenty of other countries who are interested in World stability and will pick up the mantle at the US leaves on the ground.

Yeah China's bullying the Philippines however the Philippines are also a bit of a proxy to the US so they're just naturally hostile because they don't like the US. I'm sure there's other reasons and yes they absolutely have imperialistic ambitions but I would say that when we make comparisons to United States or even like the USSR I think China has more peaceful than these states and is less belligerent.

Not to say that China isn't belligerent only that I think they're generally less corrosive to the world

[–] dastanktal@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago (12 children)

Y'all on .world love to point instances as if it's the be all end all.

I really fucking hate this style of argumentation so let me handle this now.

This is called a genetic fallacy and it's utilized to invalidate an argument without actually engaging in the substance of that argument like you haven't. If you can't support your opinion don't argue, don't offer comment, just block me, down vote, and move on because otherwise I'm going to call you out on using a fallacy to completely sidestep the very valid points I made. I'm going to point out how you didn't engage with any substance of anything I had to say such as the United States being a much worse stabilizing Force than China.

Here why don't you support your statement that China is raping Africa worse than the United States has exploited the entirety of the global South including Africa.

China is being a massive bully to the Philippines. That fucking sucks. They shouldn't really do that. You know who else is a massive bully, the United States. Should we point out all of the countries the United States abuses through sanctions and the mif?

I didn't say China was sunshine and rainbows I only said that there are more stabilizing influence on the world than the United States is and I have plenty of History of the United States fucking things up far far worse than China ever dreamed of doing.

Your on .world so I don't actually expect you to engage with the substantive aspects of my argument instead I expect you to fall into ad hominem attacks and more genetic fallacies.

So would you like to continue a conversation by providing some facts to back up your claims or am I just going to sit here and rake you over the coals for acting like a fool and offering an opinion without any substantive argument?

[–] dastanktal@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It means their economy is still running strong and that people are still buying from them. And they did increase total exports.

The trade war is not going well for the United States

[–] dastanktal@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 week ago (20 children)

You're acting as if there aren't large will powers that aren't chopping at the bit to take the place of United States to maintain World stability.

You're acting as if the United States single handily keeps the world stable which is absolutely not true.

If anything the United States is more of a destabilizing force in the global South and it is a stabilizing Force.

Right now I would say China is probably the most stabilizing force in Africa due to its Belton Road initiative and they're working on helping stabilize South America where the United States is constantly overthrowing governments that aren't friendly to the United States.

The Chiquita banana Wars come to mine along or the overthrow of Allende when they had a perfectly reasonable centrally planned socialist government in place. The exiled capitalism Chile worked with United States to violently overthrow the government when the people were objectively happy with what they had.

I do not think the United States is a stabilizing Force around the world

[–] dastanktal@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 week ago

Good to see. Would like to see the plan after the summit.

[–] dastanktal@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Man I remember arguing with somebody that said that China would want the USA to be stable and strong and that they don't want the USA playing these games

My response is that China's loving this and they're going to be breaking in profits and low and behold.

China does not care about the United States stability as long as the United States is not focused on China.

[–] dastanktal@lemmy.ml 117 points 1 week ago (36 children)

Why do we need a strong usa?

I would settle for a stable USA that takes care of its people.

[–] dastanktal@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago

Jfc. How can people support this?

[–] dastanktal@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago

I'll keep in mind thanks

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