debanqued

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Front-desk receptionists installed in the buildings of gov agencies, news offices, and large companies sometimes have (or act like they have) a strict protocol of tasks that they can or cannot do. If I ask them to page/call relevant staff for something, or to sign for a delivery, they answer to the effect of:

“That is not in my job description…”

or

“Nope, not on my list… I have no scripted process or procedure for that…”

Some receptionists will say “do you have an appointment?”, to which I answer “if an appointment is needed, please make one for me”. They can never handle that. They say call or email, which of course excludes¹ people.

It’s increasingly more common for the outsourced security receptionist to be dumbed down to know nothing about the org they are keeping a gate for, to have no visibility on schedules and no ability to page people. These “people” typically have no capability beyond writing a call center phone number or URL on a post-it note.

I have to wonder, if these unskilled people are going to be so stripped of basic capability, unable to cater for the needs presented in a situation, why even have them? They are good candidates to be replaced by robots, or even just a sign-posting with a QR code on it².

It’s in everyone’s interest for that threat to be looming, and for such receptionists to come to realise that their own job security relies on being customer oriented (not their boss as a customer, but the ultimate customer, who won’t give a shit if a robot replaces a human that acts just like a robot anyway).

Consider the insideous #forcedBanking dimension to this. Making the front desk helpless enables the org/agency to essentially maintain a non-physical presence, which they use as an rationale for refusing cash payments. The outsourced recepionist can be passed off as someone who does not represent the org/agency and thus cannot handle cash payments.

¹ Calling excludes people because call centers have a limit number of languages they can handle, and even if you’re lucky enough to get someone with a compatible language, you lose the possibility of body language, a bad quality signal makes rough language rougher, and if one side gets tired of speaking a non-native language it’s easy enough to just hang up. Calling also is not free. And email is also exclusive

² (in fact I’ve seen it happen.. a gov office receptionist got replaced with a QR code pointing to a dysfunctional website)

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Maybe print this rant on a flyer that starts with “Dear receptionist…” and keep a copy when you approach a front desk. If they turn out to be a human acting like a bot, give them the flyer. Suggest they read it and share it with their boss.

[–] debanqued@beehaw.org 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

no, the government doesn’t serve the people it serves power.

First of all, you’re wrong, unless you have limited your comment to a particular gov where votes in an election don’t count -- which is not the situation I am in. I’m in a jurisdiction where not only is there a decent voting system, the reps in gov also take public surveys and sentiment into account for operational design. I’m also in a jurisdiction where civil disobedience has effect. E.g. so many cyclists were unlawfully turning right on red that they decided to scrap the prohibition for cyclists.

You also seem to misunderstand the fact that my drop-in-the-ocean action need not change anything, just as my drop-in-the-ocean election vote is never the one vote that makes a difference.

Unless power thinks you as a group are worth the effort, they will ignore your mailed documents, state you failed to file paper work and you now have to deal with (problems incurred due to not having completed the paper work).

This assumes a scenario where I not only have an obligation to submit something but I also have an obligation to supply an email address. Obviously my form of submission accounts for these factors. The inquiry in the OP does not inherently cover such scenarios, and that’s deliberate.

Paper processes are going away.

Only in regions that are largely populated pushovers and digital zombies, without a right to be analog movement (or the rights to have a movement).

But the point was, there are no good XMPP libraries that would enable a willing government to easily onboard that support. If there were, it would be a very different discussion.

Keyword there is /easily/. It was not easy for Munich to replace all their Windows PCs with linux, but difficulty of deployment was not a show-stopper.

The question is essentially: if e-mail is scrapped, what is the next most qualifying replacement for the given requirements? If XMPP is not the answer, what is?

[–] debanqued@beehaw.org 1 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

The gov can /want/ all they want. It is the gov who serves the people, not the other way around. And we (the people) are have some control. That is, if you object to the gov’s email policy or hosting company, you can simply withold your email address. You can send them snail mail. Then they have to pay someone to scan it and react. This is in fact what I do.

I include an XMPP address along with OMEMO fingerprints in the letterhead. It’s mostly symbolic. No one actually uses it. Exceptionally, some attempt to use my XMPP address as an email address. So now I write “note: xmpp is not email” next to the xmpp address.

[–] debanqued@beehaw.org 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I’ve installed Deltachat but not experimented at all with it. What happens if someone sends an unencrypted msg to an email account that uses Deltachat? I would expect the msg to still be accepted by the mail server and MS to still see the unencrypted traffic.

[–] debanqued@beehaw.org 1 points 3 weeks ago

If the gov can use email to send a msg, then the payload is seen by MS before it reaches the gateway.

[–] debanqued@beehaw.org 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (5 children)

I find XMPP to be /more/ reliable than email, which is largely due to anti-spam zealots like #SpamHaus who block or blackhole email on the basis of IP address, along with countless other anti-spam techniques that cause collateral damage to legit email. I actually cannot send email to Google or MS users because of this crazed zealotry that has lost sight of the purpose of security: availability.

XMPP is certainly glitchy and has a variety of issues, but at least it has not yet been sabotaged by anti-spam zealots, and large corps using anti-spam measures as an excuse to break the platform for those not patronising a large corp.

The other alternative is they provide a website

That’s for person→gov msgs. It is not something I can put in my letterhead as a way for them to reach me. Also, the webforms likely just result in an email transmission that traverses MS servers in-the-clear anyway.

[–] debanqued@beehaw.org 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Anonaddy.com is (AFAIK) the only forwarding service that will encrypt inbound msgs using your pgp pubkey. And I use it, but it is useless for cutting Microsoft out of the loop. MS has already seen the payload before it even arrives at the forwarding server.

Thanks for pointing out ArcaneChat. I had not heard of it. First glance, it looks like Deltachat. What happens if an MS email user sends a msg in-the-clear to an ArcaneChat recipient?

 

cross-posted from: https://beehaw.org/post/20493770

^ indeed this is cross-posted back to the same community it originated, because slrpnk.net was offline when the post was introduced and Lemmy is not advanced enough to sync caches with original communities.

Email is a non-starter for reasons such as not being in control over who the other party chooses as an email supplier (thus resulting in Microsoft being fed all email traffic).

So snail-mail is the winner. My snail-mail obviously gives a mailing address. From a practical standpoint, that’s all I need. But it would be good to show some kind of electronic means of communication in the letterhead. Not directly for practical use but more of an expression that says “I’m not a luddite but you need to fix your shit” (in so many words).

Requirements:

  • must be secure. A low standard of security is fine; it just cannot be so shitty that giant surveillance capitalists can see and exploit the payloads.
  • must not rely on any non-standard or proprietary protocols.
  • must have at least one FOSS toolchain available.
  • must be suitable for documents sent asynchronously.
  • ideally a different unique address can be furnished to each recipient.

Candidates:

  • XMPP
  • onion e-mail (email service by surveillance capitalists cannot send to @*.onion addresses)
  • (hypothetical) clearnet email address hosted by a server that blocks inbound MS & Google server connections
  • fax number

One problem with the above candidates is I don’t think the 1st two options have any kind of aliasing (I only know of one onion email service that deliberately lacks a clearnet alias, and it does not have aliasing on the userid portion). So I would have to create many accounts and they would never actually get traffic. They would just be symbolic. And the third candidate does not even exist AFAIK.

Problems with the fax number: these are not cheap and I would need a fax number for different countries. Also fax services are gatewayed so some senders send an email to a fax service the dispatches a fax, in which case Microsoft would still see the payload.

 

Email is a non-starter for reasons such as not being in control over who the other party chooses as an email supplier (thus resulting in Microsoft being fed all email traffic).

So snail-mail is the winner. My snail-mail obviously gives a mailing address. From a practical standpoint, that’s all I need. But it would be good to show some kind of electronic means of communication in the letterhead. Not directly for practical use but more of an expression that says “I’m not a luddite but you need to fix your shit” (in so many words).

Requirements:

  • must be secure. A low standard of security is fine; it just cannot be so shitty that giant surveillance capitalists can see and exploit the payloads.
  • must not rely on any non-standard or proprietary protocols.
  • must have at least one FOSS toolchain available.
  • must be suitable for documents sent asynchronously.
  • ideally a different unique address can be furnished to each recipient.

Candidates:

  • XMPP
  • onion e-mail (email service by surveillance capitalists cannot send to @*.onion addresses)
  • (hypothetical) clearnet email address hosted by a server that blocks inbound MS & Google server connections
  • fax number

One problem with the above candidates is I don’t think the 1st two options have any kind of aliasing (I only know of one onion email service that deliberately lacks a clearnet alias, and it does not have aliasing on the userid portion). So I would have to create many accounts and they would never actually get traffic. They would just be symbolic. And the third candidate does not even exist AFAIK.

Problems with the fax number: these are not cheap and I would need a fax number for different countries. Also fax services are gatewayed so some senders send an email to a fax service the dispatches a fax, in which case Microsoft would still see the payload.

[–] debanqued@beehaw.org 1 points 1 month ago

Every method has a barrier:

  • snail mail: requires postage, which is particularly costly if you need proof of delivery. Also generally entails revealing your physical address to the controller.
  • email: requires revealing your email address to them. And if the recipient is MS or Google, or a user on those platforms, their mail server is fussy. I cannot email any MS or Google users because their server blocks my mail server.

A webform could potentially have the fewest barriers, but they blew it.

 

Indeed, MS only makes GDPR rights available to people who are willing and able to solve their graphical CAPTCHA. You must execute their JavaScript and have image rendering enabled in your browser.

For sighted people it’s not the more shitty varieties of CAPTCHA. Looks easy. But still fucked up that there is a barrier to exercising GDPR rights.

 

Suppose you have the following parties to an email conversation:

Douche Bank¹ manages to collect Alice’s email address either legitimately from her or illegitimately without her consent. DB sends her an email like this:

From: "Douche Bank" 
To: "Alice Marie Smith" 
Subject: Your unpaid debt of €20,000 on account № 354-987-156

Pay up.

Alice did not choose to do business with Microsoft Corporation and does not trust MS in the slightest. Yet Douche Bank has exposed sensitive financial information about Alice to MS, potentially without her consent. She may or may not have supplied an email address to D/B but certainly she opposes MS receiving her sensitive data, which it will then exploit to the fullest for surveillance marketing or otherwise.

Alice has no control over her bank’s choice of email provider. But in principle the GDPR is expected to give her control over her data exposure. If she makes an art.17 request to erase the privacy-abusing email, it’s too late b/c MS already saw it. The bank would not erase it because they have a legit need to track the fact that they sent a payment reminder. The bank /can/ mirror Alice’s art.17 request to MS if they are motivated, but most likely they will not, particularly if the bank is not treating the art.17 request themselves. And most likely MS would ignore it anyway.

If Alice sends a GDPR request direct to MS to erase MS’s copy of the email, MS would naturally respond with something like ”who are you? You are not our customer. Therefore we cannot properly identify you in accordance with GDPR rules. Also, we are just a “data processor” not a “data controller”. Sorry.. you can fuck off now.” (in so many words)

If Alice were to complain to the Data Protection Authority of Germany (where MS is headquartered), they would be helpless in this situation. I mean, there is Art.32 which requires processing to be secure, but most data controllers seem to be ignoring Art.32 w.r.t Art.77 requests. EDPB said in their “Contribution of the EDPB to the report on the application of the GDPR under Article 97” report:

“fines were imposed … for failure to comply with the obligations with regard to the rights of the data subjects (Article 12 to 22 GDPR),”

IOW, infringements on Articles outside the Art.12-22 range are not considered by the EDPB as “rights of the data subjects”. I’ve seen a similar sentiment expressed in other places.

¹fictitious name inspired by Deutche Bank/Bank of America

[–] debanqued@beehaw.org 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I wish I kept track of where I read that. Could have been case law, or EDPB guidelines. Maybe I was speed-reading Art.21¶4 (which is really a requirement on the data controller).

It might be a good idea to send a registered letter with reply advice (Einschreiben mit Rückschein).

If I did that it would cost me over €10 for every single request. Even if it leads to lawsuit and the court favors my claim, registered letters are still a loss. They cannot be claimed back in court.

 

I read somewhere that GDPR requests for restricted processing (Art.18) cannot be combined with any other topic or request. E.g. If you request that they not use your e-mail for marketing purposes.

WTF. Yes, I understand the idea is that if the request stands on its own, it cannot be overlooked. But #GDPR requests are ignored so often that I deliberately combine a GDPR request with another request that is more difficult to ignore. That way when they ignore the GDPR request but treat the non-GDPR request from the same letter, it proves that the data controller received my letter. When a GDPR request is made on its own, they can more easily claim the letter never came and shift the proof-of-delivery burden onto me.

[–] debanqued@beehaw.org 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You say for suspicious users, but for the 4-month stretch of beehaw being unreachable there was no opportunity to login. So there was apparently a user agnostic systemwide change.

[–] debanqued@beehaw.org 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

It’s worse than being reversible. The problem is that it’s unprovable. A switch from “zero logging” to “log everything” is wholly undetectible to users. You have to rely on blind faith that a profit-driven entity will act in your interest and resist their opportunity to profit from data collection. All you have is trust. Tor avoids that whole dicey mess and reliance on trust.

[–] debanqued@beehaw.org 3 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Indeed the ISP can only see where you go when using TLS, and that data can be aggregated to who you are along with everywhere else you go. It’s sensitive enough that in the US lawmakers decided on whether ISPs need consent to collect that info. Obama signed into force a requirement of ISPs to get consent. Then Trump reversed that. Biden did not reverse it back AFAIK.

W.r.t VPNs, you merely shift the surveillance point; you do not avoid the surveillance. The VPN provider can grab all that info just as well.

[–] debanqued@beehaw.org 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (6 children)

I am anonymous. Only doxxing experts know who is behind my account. Using clearnet makes it trivially simple for doxxers. Activitypub msgs include the IP address of the sending source which anyone with their own instance can see, IIRC.

But note as well Tor offers more than anonymity. It mitigates tracking by your ISP.

 

For the past four months beehaw has been unreachable to those of us on the Tor network. Glad to see access was finally restored. Was there an attack?

I could really use a way to periodically backup my posts to my local disk so if Tor is spontaneously blocked again I at least have my history. I’ve not found a Lemmy equivalent for Mastodon Archive.

(edit) For security, it would be a good idea to setup an onion instance. The Tor network has built-in DDoS protection for onion hosts.

 

I installed the Aria2 app from f-droid. I just want to take a list of URLs of files to download and feed it to something that does the work. That’s what Aria2c does on the PC. The phone app is a strange beast and it’s poorly described & documented. When I launch it, it requires creating a profile. This profile wants an address. It’s alienating as fuck. I have a long list of URLs to fetch, not just one. In digging around, I see sparse vague mention of an “Aria server”. I don’t have an aria server and don’t want one. Is the address it demands under the “connection” tab supposed to lead to a server?

The readme.md is useless:

https://github.com/devgianlu/Aria2App

The app points to this link which has no navigation chain:

https://github.com/devgianlu/Aria2App/wiki/Create-a-profile

Following the link at the bottom of the page superfically seems like it could have useful info:

“To understand how DirectDownload work and how to set it up go here.”

but clicking /here/ leads to a dead page. I believe the correct link is this one. But on that page, this so-called “direct download” is not direct in the slightest. It talks about setting up a server and running python scripts. WTF.. why do I need a server? I don’t want a server. I want a direct download in the true sense of the word direct.

 

These are Lemmy instances with a “Sign Up” link which present you with a form to fill out to register. Then after you fill out the form and supply information like email address to the server, they respond with “registration closed”:

  • lemmy.escapebigtech.info (dead node now, but got instant reg. closed msg when they were alive)
  • expats.zone
  • hackertalks.com
  • lemmie.be
  • lemmy.killtime.online
  • lemmy.kmoneyserver.com
  • lemmy.sarcasticdeveloper.com
  • level-up.zone
  • zoo.splitlinux.org

I suppose it’s unlikely to be malice considering how many there are. It’s likely a case of shitty software design. There should be a toggle for open/closed registration and when it’s closed there should be no “Sign Up” button in the first place. And if someone visits the registration URL despite a lack of Sign Up link, it should show a reg. closed announcement.

Guess it’s worth mentioning there are some instances that accept your application for review (often with interview field) but then either let your application rot (“pending application” forever) or they silently reject it (you only discover non-acceptance when you make a login attempt and either get “login failed” or even more rudely it just re-renders the login form with no msg). These nodes fall into the selective non-acceptance category:

  • lemmy.cringecollective.io
  • lemmy.techtriage.guru
  • lemmy.hacktheplanet.be (pretends to send confirmation email then silently neglects to)
  • links.esq.social
  • dubvee.org

To be fair, I use a disposable email address which could be a reason the 5 above to reject my application. And if they did give a reason via email, I would not see it. Not sure if that’s happening but that’s also a case of bad software. That is, when a login attempt is made, the server could present the rationale for refusal. Another software defect would be failing to instantly reject an unacceptible email address.

 

Utility companies, telecoms, and banks all want consumers to register on their website so they do not have to send paper invoices via snail mail. When I started the registration process, the first demand was for an e-mail address.

Is that really necessary? They would probably argue that they need to send notifications that a new invoice has been prepared. I would argue that e-mail should be optional because:

  • They could send SMS notifications instead, if a data subject would prefer that.
  • They need not send any notification at all, in fact. Reminders is why calendars and alarm clocks exist. A consumer can login and fetch their invoice on a schedule. If a consumer neglects to login during a certain window of time, the data controller could send a paper invoice (which is what they must do for offline customers anyway).

They might argue that they need an email for password resets. But we could argue that SMS or paper mail can serve that purpose as well.

Does anyone see any holes in my legal theory? Any justification for obligatory email address disclosure that I am missing?

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