[-] destroyamerica@lemmygrad.ml 33 points 8 hours ago

long (kinda?) effort post about china and planning that im putting in here because it's tangentially related to some news stuff and i like a lot of people who frequent this mega
Fellow Newsheads,

I wouldn't call myself an anti-"Dengist" (for lack of a better term). I think it was a dangerous gamble, and one that ended up working out amazingly. Still, I still think cybernetic planning holds the greatest potential for growth and especially efficiency over any other system, and I'm not even sure if there's any good arguments against it (maybe too vulnerable to cyberattacks?), with how well it seemed to work basically immediately as an incomplete system on slow computers in Chile, and how corporate giants like walmart and amazon use it to incredible effect (and I have to imagine Chinese companies use it too, no?). With phones faster than supercomputers in 1995 (at least), I feel like a modern Cybersyn would be so crazy! So, I feel like any socialist country should work towards establishing an economy wide fully integrated cybernetic planning system as soon as possible. However, China is in a unique situation.

From outside of the party, it seems like China's current path is like boiling the frog, both domestically and internationally. If they tried to move to a fully planned system in a short period of time (<5 years?) it will cause the bourgeoisie to panic and flee the country and take as much money as they can (and iirc capital flight has really stepped it up recently), as well as potentially causing massive unrest. I imagine they also want to keep baiting the US into believing there's even a slight chance that China will be taken over by a bourgeoisie counterrevolution, to help and blunt US aggression. Internationally they strive to be a true force for peace, refusing to pass unilateral sanctions unless in response to a trade war, so that the imperialist nations can hang themselves with their own rope while maintaining stability and growth by dodging sanctions. But still, the CPC are Marxists, so they must know their mixed economy can't go on forever (unless the neoliberal/neoclassical economic ideas that kaplya/droplet/shipwrecks asserts have begun to take root in China grow worse instead of beginning to recede eventually D: ), and must transition back to full planning eventually. How long will this take? Right now, seems like decades (although maybe we'll get lucky and get a bunch of week-decades in the next few years lol).

So to the main thing I wanted to discuss, that I admit will ultimately be nearly entirely speculation due to the potential timeframe, how close the CPC plays its cards to its chest, and the world changing events that will undoubtedly happen (Israel collapsing for sure, potential war between China and Amerikkka, etc.), how will this actually look as they transition back? Will it all just be random huge companies collapsing and China either going "lol, lmao" and letting them go bankrupt or nationalizing them, or will they begin to take more aggressive measures (eg flat out nationalizing companies for the slightest misstep)? Are they just biding their time until Xi decides to xi-communism-button? /j Or feel free to say why something in the rest of my post is bad, sure there's plenty to pick on.

~(also~ ~shipwrecks~ ~if~ ~you~ ~see~ ~this~ ~post~ ~please~ ~assume~ ~they~ ~also~ ~fix~ ~their~ ~misconceptions~ ~about~ ~debt~ ~and~ ~get~ ~off~ ~an~ ~export~ ~economy~ ~by~ ~the~ ~time~ ~this~ ~transition~ ~finishes~ ~taking~ ~place~ ~lol)~


kinda effort because it's a vibes based discussion i'm not actually putting in any links or anything because I dont think they're really necessary for anything I've said but i did put effort into this :)

[-] destroyamerica@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 days ago

i guess at least he doesn't admin grad and dessalines seems a lot better to me. little weirded out no one on grad has made any posts about it from my bit of searching. disappointing shit, I hope either dessalines can knock some sense into his head or force him out of the project if he won't self crit

[-] destroyamerica@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 days ago

friend-visitor-3 while searching "nutmoic" about this i found the recentish dunk tank thread about his transphobia, what the fuck is going on with him i start lurking for 2 months and i miss all this shit???

[-] destroyamerica@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 3 days ago

oh, do you have a link to what it was about? im surprised that there was drama between them

[-] destroyamerica@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 3 days ago

along with what @red_stapler@hexbear.net said I think there have been articles floating around showing stats that the iron dome sucked to begin with? any other news mega regulars remember what I'm talking about?

[-] destroyamerica@lemmygrad.ml 37 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

afaik lemmy.ml admins defederated dunk tank comm only ,~~probably to try and quell some of the "OMG THE EBIL TANKIES AT LEMMY.ML MUST BE STOPPED!!!" posting, cringe liberalism to do that if you ask me because they're just going to call you an evil tankie for banning them for being racists anyways so why give in?~~

my assumption was incorrect, apparently admin drama?

[-] destroyamerica@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 3 days ago

must... resist... urge... to post... sectarianism...

[-] destroyamerica@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 3 days ago

if they actually do put that in I feel like it will be the biggest self-own since either tumblr removed porn or digg shot itself in the head

[-] destroyamerica@lemmygrad.ml 40 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

of course there's always been spurts of it being extremely obvious before (like feb 2022!) but it's just been nonstop since october 7th tbh, and if it's not astroturfed bot shit it's karma farming bots. still a lot of smaller subreddits that are ok but who knows how long that will last

[-] destroyamerica@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 3 days ago

keep up the good fight man always see you fighting the doomers and chauvinists on here zoidberg saluting 1

[-] destroyamerica@lemmygrad.ml 70 points 3 days ago

havent been active (other than reading comments) on the news mega since I started my new job, felt like logging in to say I'm convinced the dooming about russia must come from too much reddit usage, Ive gone back to lurking on there a lot more during the day when im at my job because I dont really want my chud coworkers leaning over my shoulder and seeing me be on a socialist website, and there are constant posts on the front page about the kursk offensive and how terrible and humiliating it is for russia and how russia is now days from collapse. idk which is more embarrassing, if this is their own genuine analysis or they're being swayed by the most astroturfed site in existence

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https://redsails.org/transgender-liberation/

nice to see redsails expanding into the realm of gender, if im not mistaken i dont think they've actually hosted any marxists focusing on gender in the context of transgender people on the site (could very well be wrong, please point me to any of their earlier articles if I missed them!)

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submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by destroyamerica@lemmygrad.ml to c/genzedong@lemmygrad.ml

this is frankly really scary. if you're in a socialist org, please make sure that they're not so lax with security like this. also, why the actual fuck are they using google products. we are fucking doomed here in the west man. To be clear I think this is probably more on the local chapter of your org than the national org, but even then I really think national orgs need to be giving out a lot more training about this kind of thing, and quite frankly booting out the leadership of local chapters if they're lax like this.

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PSL security culture: I left almost a year ago, their members locally know I don’t like them, but I’m still in some shared folder where I can see sensitive event and recruiting information

I highly recommend to the people joining orgs to take serious steps and ask questions around security. What if this got into the wrong hands? Out of courtesy I’m censoring the names. I have plenty more screenshots of events in case they try to refute this but I recommend they just hold this L quietly

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