drinkwaterkin

Did you watch the video?

So really, you just have anti-vegan bias. In actuality plant-based diets consistently show themselves to be among the most health promoting, and longevity promoting. Also, multi-generational vegans exist now days. It's established that plant-based diets are entirely appropriate for all stages of life, even pregnancy and childhood.

If even body builders have no problem meeting their nutritional needs on plants, do you really think it would be so hard to get all your choline and tmg on plants? Plenty of people here have shown you there is no shortage of options. In your dismissals of these attempts to help, one of the major factors you're ignoring is that no one eats a single ingredient as their food source. So even if you're not quite eating enough soybeans to reach a benchmark, you also have to keep in mind that these nutrients are in a wide variety of foods, and you'd most likely be getting doses of it from virtually everything you eat.

And also as pointed out, supplements are readily available. Like if I had your condition, I would not trust any diet to meet my choline needs, and would supplement anyway. And if I did, then why not make it a plant-based supplement?

So you can do this, and frankly quite easily. Here's the thing: you're getting hyperfocused on raw numbers. You can't actually know that a thing works until you put it to the test. When I went vegan I was also really nervous that, what if there is something in animal products that I need to live, and I'll die if I stop eating them?! I tried anyway, found out through real experience that plants do meet all my needs, and made me feel significantly better in the process at that.

That was when I understood the sheer amount of societal animal ag propaganda that had been drilled into me all my life, that it was all nonsense, and that experience was a liberation in and of itself.

Oh, and you said in another comment that you don't have factory farming where you live? Judging by your server, are you from Australia? Then you should definitely watch Dominion, because you absolutely do have factory farming, and you are definitely contributing to it.

It's possible, and if finances are a struggle you just kind of have to make your best guess in some cases, or buy used. Most of the time when shoes have leather, they advertise it pretty boldly, so that helps. Still, you never know - for example, what are the adhesives made out of? That's why vegan certifications are important, a lot of things can be easily hidden, and a lot of companies aren't particularly clear on their use of animal products even when reached out to directly.

Going vegan means learning to have to put everything under a microscope. The word 'vystopia' exists for good reason.

It depends. For example I just made one quick search, "biodegradable vegan shoes", and this was one of the first results:

https://blueviewfootwear.com/

Also see here, leather at least as bad environmentally, in addition to being ethically awful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNQgcBUGD3g

They're usually not, at least at this time. More R&D needs to go into plant-based materials for more options. Even so, leather itself is also anything but "organic."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNQgcBUGD3g

If you didn't have this condition, then would you make the switch?

What is this condition you have?

Anybody can cherry pick isolated studies to support any argument they want. I'm not giving you the time of day on this because it never ends. That's the point. It's the same playbook as the tobacco industry, same as the oil companies. Corporate-backed pseudoscience that appears just about legitimate-enough to create distractions and confusions.

You already admitted to being anti-epidemiology and "respecting" people like Taubes, as well as name-dropping the carnivore diet. That's all I need to know, to know that you're full of nonsense.

Called it. Get your pseudoscience crackpot cheesehands diet nonsense out of here.

Is "associative studies and relative risk" another way of saying, "correlation can't establish causation"? Does that mean we actually don't know if smoking is bad for us? Sorry, but if you're going to read from the same playbooks as idiots like Gary Taubes and Nina Teicholz then you're not going to have any credibility. Nutritional epidemiology is rock solid and the cornerstone of sound nutritional science. If your views depend on undermining an entire field of science, you're already cut from the same cloth as climate deniers.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JJeoYQ6FaAw

I'm sorry, but while it might feel good to adopt a "different things work for different people," view, elimination diet is only a necessary tool for rare edge cases at most. There is plenty of foundational research at this point, and for the real nutritional scientists who do the real science, there is a consensus that the Mediterranean dietary pattern is the preferred choice for the general population. That is why this diet is pretty much always the backbone of government dietary recommendations (with deviations in those recommendations usually being the result of capitulation to corporations).

And the more plant-centric your diet gets, the better your outcomes.

I've already gone through and toggled on virtually all of the filter lists.