100% there needs to be a way to block lemmynsfw, I say this even as an admin for it!

Lemmy UI updates broke our frontend that allowed NSFW without logging and we've been too focused on other things to be able to fix it

I'm not really down with this being presented as drama, it's unfortunate the way it played out but overall its their choice to defederate. We actively encourage other instances who forbid pornography to defederate from us. Lemmy.ml, sopuli, etc etc we are totally fine with, we have no malice or hate towards them because thats their choice and their reasons and concerns for doing so are more than legitimate especially with how limited lemmy is right now and the locations that they host their site at. We have open discussions with other instance admins and welcome discussions of their potential concerns, it's just we didn't really know what the concerns were beyond "this looks wrong because it looks wrong delete it" which made it extremely frustrating to try to figure out concisely what the problem was so we could address it.

My only issue is it being presented as if we are fine with CSAM, when we aren't and to be accused of that is extremely serious.

It was. I had a conversation with the community moderator, and concerns were expressed due to the legal grey area it falls under. The mod was not punished nor was in any kind of trouble. The deletion was amicable. I gave the moderator a go ahead previously while it was discussed with the team and while we were figuring out how to best navigate our rules. After a bit more consideration and talk with the team and looking deeper into emerging AI laws, we felt it was too much of a grey area to leave up.

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So, it should be noted it will be consensual noncon with very specific strict modding communication and moderator community rules and procedures, not true "noncon."

We won't be allowing real non consensual content, ever. Things like kink related consensual noncon is what is being referred to here. We will be extra strict in making sure it is actually consensual noncon and is verifiably only done in a kink context. But it will only be for those who search it out, will be closely moderated and will not federate into c/all.

Consensual noncon even when verifiable as consensual is a tricky subject, as although for some it is a consensual kink, for others it can be a potential trigger due to trauma. We want to make it so people won't accidentally stumble upon that content unless they explicitly search for it.

I hope that clarifies things. If you still don't want anything to do us with us, I understand but hopefully that makes it clear we aren't down with like.. creepshots and stuff.

Oh hey, I didn't see you deleted the post my bad. Lemme just copy what I was going to say if that's alright.

So, we allow people to talk about and tell others to go to burgitt.moe but we do so with an asterisk and when we see people post about it we really try to make an effort to warn others about what they might be getting into. We aren't deleting the posts talking about it, because overall if people want to go that their choice and thats the nature of the fediverse.

The issue with burgitt isn't exclusively the loli/shotacon thing. Yeah, it's a big factor but there's a lot more to it for both our team and many other instances. They explicitly are trying to replicate reddits openness that led to the r/jailbait scandal, and there needs to be reasonable limits on social media sites for very clear legal reasons. Lemmy is limited in more ways than reddit is (and was even then) right now, and to host NSFW content of any kind you kind of need to jerry rig shit together to make it somewhat functioning and be able to address issues. There's limited confidence they will be able to properly report, address, and handle suspected illegal content on their servers due to their hands off management. Maybe they have procedure, I don't know and can't say. Another thing with that is that they explicitly ignore DMCA requests, which is also extremely legally problematic for federated content hosts.

On top of all that, their site is hosted in the Netherlands. A place currently being circled by Interpol for hosting a large portion of CSAM online. The EU is specifically building ways to crack down on websites that host any legally problematic content in the Netherlands purely due to the sheer mass right now. Beyond that, they may not be American but their refusal to follow DMCA also presents a risk of being raided by Interpol as well. There's a legal misconception that the Netherlands is a safe offshore host for ignoring DMCAs, and that just isn't true. They are a part of the EU, and actively cooperate with American authorities because they legally are required to. Specific companies do not fuck around when it comes to DMCA.

All of that leads to the Interpol risk, and what that means. If they seize the site, they would try to read the database and almost certainly attempt to scan thru it. And authorities seizing fediverse based websites isn't even a new thing either, there was a Mastodon instance that was raided a few months ago with the database being analyzed by authorities and it has been up without any info of that raid serving as a honeypot collecting user information. That's a risk you are putting yourself up to.

Content creators have been quite good about NOT spam crossposting. The reports right now are just spam reports against anyone with the audacity to post an OF link in comments or body in the communities that allow them which is just extremely annoying. Like if spam crossposting becomes an issue we will discuss and address that but overall content creators have been good on that end.

Instead of downvoting with no response I feel like its worth clarifying, from what I have discussed (to my own knowledge) the intention was not to intentionally invite illegal underage nsfw content or content that is hard to discern from such. There was a desire to establish community transparency on the matter and engage in a discussion on the nuances of such a rule and how far the limits should reach, and it wasn't really handled well due to a very big language barrier not being able to properly convey the intended conversation in the way it was meant to be presented. FWIW, I am very much personally against loli/shota content and wouldn't have offered to help out if this wasn't the case.

American law is honestly just deeply convoluted and annoying. Having to take into account the 50 mini countries in a trench coat hyper-specific legalities is so fun!

Yes. As well as kbin.