This is the correct take. Is it any surprise that OF models generate a lot of nsfw content? Unless the users posting is too frequent, it's not spam. If a painter links to their webpage on a post where they share their art do we cry spam? Treating their content like spam entirely on the grounds of them being OF models is honestly pretty sex negative. Y'all should support the idea of sex workers having control of their own content.
Speaking from previous experience on Reddit, the OF models are the posters most likely to start spam posting.
That shouldn't mean we auto report them here, but it's behavior to be wary of and worth checking an OF account to make sure they aren't.
I have no issue with OF, but i don't want to be overtly advertised to.
If i find myself in a /c where OF spam is out of control and the mods don't wish to do anything about it then I'll just move on.
Many NSFW Reddit subs turned to rubbish when OF users spammed the hell out of hundreds of subs, when where there content was not a match for the sub. If this happens here then it will suck as well.
I'm happy for OF users to post content appropriate to the /c they post in and include a link to their OF in the body or in a following message. But having a pair of tits posted in an anal /c along with 50 other /c's with "My only fans 50% off right now" as the title... thats spam, clear as day, and it has no place.
And for those saying its content, there is no need to grow for the sake of growth, let's rather grow naturally and at a steady pace and maintain some quality.
I have a simple solution to this: If you are the moderator of your community, just put a rule in the sidebar disallowing OF links and references. Handle it on a per-community level.
Correct.
The downside of that is that a lot of OF content is posted to dozens of communities and this fact is the main spam problem with them, not necessarily the content in any particular community on its own.
I just wish c/gonewild would hold true to what made r/gonewild special. Allowing people who monitize to post there just turns it into a generic porn subscription.
It's advertising. I don't care for advertising. It's like if all food subs were posts by Kraft, Taco Bell, Lays, Ben & Jerry's, etc.
If people want to advertise, that's fine, there are avenues for that. r/gonewild got ruined by being filled to the brim with OF ads. Other communities had to be made to recreate the space that gonewild used to be.
the basis for r/gonewild was a place for REDDITORS to "go wild", not for women who are paid to do so, to then create a reddit account so they can have a place to advertise their product (their photos and videos) for free.
If gonewild wants to restrict OF posts, that's fine. Then it becomes a violation of community rules. That's really a debate for the mods and posters in gonewild. The mere fact that someone has an OF is not grounds for reporting.
They aren’t just advertising though, they are also contributing. A better analogy is food companies going to a food convention and giving out free food. The site would be a lot quieter without their contribution.
There is a huge difference between inconsiderate spammers, and adult performers linking to their work.
We all hate the blatant spam on Reddit, but spam is not a unique problem, and it was not invented during the rise of adult content creation. That's why we have moderation. Know what makes moderation even harder? Abusing the moderation system.
Look, we have an opportunity here to create an active and ethical community of real people who love porn, and SUPPORT the people who create the thing we love.
Even if you never intend to pay for your porn, creators give away TONS of free material, and want to interact and build community here for free.
If you push out creators from every corner of the internet besides behind a paywall, what do you think will be left? I'll tell you: the 1% of people who are not interested in monetizing their content, and a bunch of stolen shit (for as long as it lasts, until LemmyNSFW gets hit with DMCA takedowns left and right.)
If we went that route, and the site becomes swamped with copyright takedowns, admins here could decide ONLY OC is allowed to be posted, and then yall will have that 1% of people who don't monetize to choose from. So, you can say goodbye to variety, and goodbye to finding someone who fulfills your particular fetish.
Is that the community you want to build? Sounds pretty oppressive to me.
Very well said. Talented OC creators (including sellers) are always welcomed at communities I moderate here (and on Reddit).
And I gladly nuke spam (very well defined by @hedidwot@lemmynsfw.com in comment ) and spammers (OC or not). Hoping we get better moderation tools and support soon here on Lemmy
If OF takes a hold of Lemmy like it did Reddit I’ll just defederate from Lemmy all together. Nobody has time for 50 identical posts from the same user only to finish with that user’s posts just in time to pick up another OF user’s 50 identical posts. OF and their repost bot Army ruined entire communities on reddit and they for sure will do the same here if allowed.
"Do older guys even like 18yo girls? Teeheehee"
"My boyfriend made fun of my boobs and says I need implants! Teeheehee"
"Be honest. Would you smash an 18yo virgin??"
Lifts top does a small wiggle "see more on my OF" *posts to 30 other communities"
I'm not mad about it. Y'all should make money on it if you can, but most of this shit is the same and ruined porn on Reddit. I'm sure there's some that are really into the exhibition of it, and that rocks, but It'll ruin porn here too.
If spam crossposting becomes an issue, we will address it. The reports we are referring to here are mainly against people who are daring to just post links in the body or comments to their OF. It's not mass crossposting.
I gotcha. Let’s hope it stays that way, you guys are in a tough spot, you need to grow but to grow you need content. OF promises to quickly deliver that content but that content may come at a price, You may lose support from users and potential organic contributors. Good luck guys, I hope that whatever the decision you all take ends up being the best for the instance and for Lemmy as a whole.
Of course. It is a fine line we are towing and figuring out, but overall content creators are being reasonable thus far.
I block all identified OF users. All they do is post UNRELATED items to the community theme. Like what they did on reddit.
Aw man, I'm just an exhibitionist that loves showing off and talking to friendly strangers on the internet, and you guys have been so nice 🙁 I paywall some stuff so I can make a little back to justify buying cute outfits lol, but I totally get the frustration with spamming and agree it ruined reddit. Of course I will respect if a community decides I'm no longer welcome, however I will point out that almost all of the top posts on gonewild here are OF models - so a lot of valuable and appreciated content would be lost. Perhaps significantly reducing the allowable posting frequency in the future once there is more content here (e.g 1x post per sub per user per week) would increase posting quality and relevance.
Reducing posting frequency is a great solution.
I think only once per week is a bit extreme, but something like, once per sub per day, and cannot share the same photo in the same sub again until somewhere between 1-6 months have passed.
...you guys know we need more porn on here, right? The low quantity is likely hurting our retention a little bit. Can't they just get a sub or something? It's content, guys. We need content. Just give them a space.
I'm gonna be really blunt here, idk how it'll be received, but: without women who are paid to be naked, there will be very, very little content in OC porn communities.
I just see so many people on Reddit claim to only love "true amateur" content, but that content almost always gets hugely downvoted or goes unnoticed on the big subreddits. I think it's because people who don't profit from their stuff aren't always trying to make content with the widest appeal possible. They don't tend to care as much about being perfectly lit up so every nipple detail is visble. Or about getting the pose just right. Many won't want to show their face. You'd think the clearly true amateur stuff would be more celebrated, but it seems people want to see women make huge amounts of pro-level content just for funsies. That's not really realistic.
Back when amateur content was popular on reddit it actually went well.. I actually think the prominence of OF posters has put off the original amateurs.
I think if it's done well both can co-exist with care and attention to rules. A pro OF community can permit OF advertisers if they want. But while having overt OF spam might add content, it will at the same time drive viewers away.
Also suggesting people that don't want to be advertised to are anti sex work is stupid, and the few fools who have said as much are really just stupid.
I don't like ads, any ads, and yet i still support businesses that advertise.
Edit: r/bigonewild banned OF posters and it turned into such a sausagefest that they changed their description to make it into a stated bi male centric community.
do you think that could be because the women were just lying about being bi so they had more opportunities to advertise their OF? I think that's kind of a huge point in support of banning OF ads
The people who like popular porn don't really go around announcing that they love professional-grade porn. They only do so when talking about the ethical consumption of porn, and their focus is on supporting people for their work, not the appreciation for the high quality or enjoying the financial transaction.
Announcing you like amateur porn is a statement about the flavor of porn you like, and it's pretty clearly a minority opinion, given what we see reach the tops of the porn forums.
I pretty much only like amateur porn. But you know what? I'm not going to stop anyone else from enjoying the kind of porn they like. Why should I? If you like professional porn, great! If you don't, that's okay too. Neither side should judge the other so long as they're not promoting harmful behavior of one type or another. There's nothing wrong with making a living by getting naked, there's nothing wrong with doing it for fun!
I personally don't enjoy OF posts at all. Why would I? I don't enjoy when prostitutes call me cute either. It's a business for lonely people.
I post myself, too, but only because I enjoy doing it for free, and because I enjoy genuine reactions by people who also don't make money with it. If a sex worker with an ad on her profile says " nice dick bro", that doesn't mean anything to me. My life would have been the same without her comment.
I don't mind seeing only few, but legitimate posts either. Imho selling should be contained to separate communities, not the other way round (allowing it by default and needing special places without it).
I for one welcome our onlyfans overlords
edit: y'all content comes from somewhere, exhibitionists who can afford it will give it free, you don't need to pay anything let the fuckin upvote down vote system sort out what you wanna see. people who wanna support swers can, there's no requirement and honestly it diversifies everything
Final comment about this because I wanna get off this topic as I’m getting triggered. I’m an exhibitionist AND I need to pay my bills. Idk why I wouldn’t combine those 2 things? I love what I do. I love posting nudes! I love talking to people online. Why wouldnt I try to do that as my job if I love it? The only people that will be seeing my link are the people that click on my profile and find it for themselves. Have a good day everyone 😂😛
The anti-OF posters sound exceedingly hyperbolic. I'm certain there's a reasonable way to ensure OF/ManyVids/Fansly models are encouraged to post free content here without it consuming the entire site.
But posters demanding that all OF models be banned entirely sound hella unreasonable.
Go make your own community and ban OF models from it
Hell yeah!
I made a clickable list of sellers, if you wish to block them: !sellerblock@lemmy.world
It's only like 100 for now, so doable by hand. For now, it includes some other types of sellers that you can skip, of course.
This way there is no need to argue, or to harass mods with false reports. Keep in mind that they do this work voluntarily.
Where's the line with someone posting to multiple c/s at once and ignoring relevance being spam, even though they may hit a few c/s where is is on topic randomly? When I report for spam, that's what I'm reporting for, even if I don't report every post they made.
How should we handle that?
that's like going to strip club and ask to kick out the strippers
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