Döner is okay. A good falafel and seitan shawarma on the other hand is amazing

No, it's another paradox

i get what you mean.

"Have you forgotten what happened down in Aafrika?"

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"I blessed the rain"

would have been a better punchline, but it's still really good

And what will happen then?

Because you're not offering a way to dismantle it.

What do you think will replace it? You have only said negatives so far, what is coming after?

What would replace it?

If you pressed a magical button and the US turned into an ocean connecting the Atlantic and Pacific, sure, good. But I'm assuming that's not what you're talking about, and the people will not disappear, so I ask yet again, what will happen in the area now known as the US should the state collapse right now

I ask again, what do you think will happen when then US state collapses?

The way you're taking about collapse reminds me of Christians taking about the rapture, this magical event that will take us to utopia.

In all seriousness, what do you think would happen if the state collapsed tomorrow?

We as the left are so disorganized, there would be nothing stopping fascists filling the power vacuum. I'm an anarchist myself, but for the revolution not to fall against the counterrevolution, we need to be ready to make sure that that power vacuum stays empty. That requires strong unions, self defense forces, mutual aid networks and much more. None of which we currently have. We absolutely work towards the collapse of the state. But on our terms, and with something better ready to replace it with. The revolution won't happen on it's own, it's a long and arduous process.

Are racist? Yeah probably. But I refuse to accept that they always will be. And there can't be a leftist revolution without popular support. The only reasonable way I see going forward is to build leftist support structures now, and organize, organize, organize. I think at least the young generation is coming around on capitalism, and we must make sure they get directed to the left, and not fascist demagogues

That's not what they're saying. They say that if you gave land back right now, you'd have massive violence against natives and likely other marginalized people by the fascists that have been building militias for years now. A revolution needs popular support, and I just don't see that at the moment.

Voting will also not change that. But neither will not voting, at least not for the better. Treat it like a chore, like you're taking out the trash. That won't clean your house, but if you don't, you're gonna live in filth before long.

Liberals think that voting is the end of politics, but that's where the actual work begins. Organize your workplace, your local community and with marginalized people. Build the support needed to tear this fucked up, cruel and callous system down. So when the collapse comes, fascism will not win. The people will.