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TLDW: Fiber is not essential for health.

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Summary

In this comprehensive discussion on gut health and low-carbohydrate diets, the speaker challenges common nutritional beliefs, emphasizing that dietary fiber is not essential for a healthy diet. The presentation highlights that certain low-carb foods rich in fiber and FODMAPs (fermentable carbohydrates) can cause bloating, constipation, and other gut symptoms. The speaker critically reviews scientific evidence around fiber’s role in constipation and finds that, contrary to popular belief, increasing fiber intake may worsen constipation and bloating. In contrast, low- or zero-fiber diets have shown significant improvements in bowel symptoms.

The talk explains the physiological basis of constipation and why fiber’s function of increasing stool bulk might not aid stool passage, as larger stools can be harder to expel. It also clarifies that fiber does not hydrate stools, debunking another common assumption. The fermentation of fiber by gut bacteria produces short-chain fatty acids (SCFAs) and gases, which can cause discomfort.

The speaker further explores FODMAPs, a group of poorly absorbed short-chain carbohydrates that cause osmotic effects and gas production, contributing to irritable bowel syndrome (IBS) symptoms like bloating, diarrhea, and constipation. Many low-carb foods, including broccoli and nuts, contain FODMAPs, which explains why some people on low-carb diets experience digestive issues.

The role of gut microbiota is examined, particularly the relationship between bacterial phyla (Firmicutes and Bacteroidetes) and obesity. While changes in gut bacteria are associated with weight loss or gain, the speaker clarifies that diet-induced changes in microbiota are likely a consequence, not a cause, of weight changes. The famous 2006 mouse study showing that microbiota transplants can affect weight is discussed, but limitations are pointed out.

Finally, the talk touches on how modern dietary components, such as trehalose (a sugar used in processed foods), can alter gut bacteria and lead to serious infections, underscoring that what we eat impacts our microbiome, sometimes negatively.

The concluding message is clear: fiber is not indispensable for gut health, some low-carb foods high in fiber or FODMAPs can cause gut discomfort, and the idea of manipulating gut bacteria to lose weight remains scientifically unsupported.

Highlights

  • 🌾 Fiber is not essential for a healthy diet and may worsen constipation and bloating.
  • 🥦 Certain low-carb foods rich in fiber or FODMAPs can cause gut symptoms like bloating and constipation.
  • 💨 Fermentation of fiber by gut bacteria produces gases causing discomfort, not hydration of stool.
  • 🦠 Gut microbiota changes with diet but are more likely effects, not causes, of weight loss or gain.
  • 🍞 FODMAPs, found in many foods including some low-carb ones, contribute significantly to IBS symptoms.
  • 🐁 Microbiota transplant studies in germ-free mice have limitations and do not directly translate to humans.
  • 🍦 Modern food additives like trehalose can negatively impact gut bacteria, leading to serious health issues.

Key Insights

  • 🌱 Fiber’s Role in Constipation Is Overstated: Despite widespread recommendations, there is no strong randomized controlled trial evidence supporting fiber’s efficacy to relieve constipation symptoms. In fact, clinical observations show that a zero-fiber diet can completely alleviate constipation symptoms in many patients, challenging the dogma that fiber is always beneficial. This insight demands a re-evaluation of fiber’s role in managing bowel health, especially in those with chronic constipation.

  • 💨 Gas Production from Fiber Fermentation Affects Gut Comfort: Soluble fibers ferment in the colon, producing short-chain fatty acids (SCFAs) and gases such as hydrogen. This fermentation can cause bloating and abdominal pain, especially when excessive fiber is consumed. Insoluble fibers, while increasing stool bulk, do not hydrate stools or ease passage, often exacerbating symptoms by increasing rectal distension. Therefore, fiber's mechanical and fermentative effects on the gut can be counterproductive for individuals prone to bloating or IBS-like symptoms.

  • 🥦 FODMAPs and Low-Carb Diets: Many people following low-carb diets inadvertently consume significant amounts of FODMAPs from vegetables like broccoli and nuts, which can ferment and attract water in the gut, causing diarrhea or constipation. Recognizing FODMAP content in low-carb foods is vital for managing digestive symptoms, illustrating that low-carb does not automatically mean low-fermentable carbohydrate intake. This subtlety is critical for dietary adjustments in sensitive individuals.

  • 🦠 Microbiome Changes Are a Consequence, Not a Cause, of Weight Loss: Although gut microbiota composition differs between obese and lean individuals (e.g., higher Firmicutes in obesity, higher Bacteroidetes in leanness), these changes follow dietary shifts rather than drive weight changes. The 2006 mouse microbiota transplant study, often cited to support causality, applies to germ-free mice without existing microbiota, a condition not comparable to humans. Thus, diet modification remains the primary tool for weight management, with microbiome changes as secondary phenomena.

  • 🔬 Short-Chain Fatty Acids (SCFAs) and Colon Health: SCFAs produced by bacterial fermentation are not solely beneficial. While they provide energy to colonocytes and may support gut integrity, their production is not unique to fiber fermentation. Animal-based diets rich in protein also generate SCFAs. Moreover, circulating ketones, such as those produced in ketogenic diets, may be more effective for colon health than SCFAs, indicating alternative metabolic pathways support colonocyte function beyond fiber intake.

  • 🍭 Artificial Sweeteners and Gut Health: Polyols, sugar alcohols commonly used in low-carb bars and snacks, poorly absorbed in the intestine, can cause osmotic diarrhea and gas, leading to discomfort. This explains why some individuals on low-carb diets experience diarrhea after consuming products like Atkins bars. Awareness of these additives is essential for managing digestive health in low-carb dietary contexts.

  • ⚠️ Dietary Components Can Adversely Affect Microbiota: The example of trehalose, a sugar increasingly used in processed foods, illustrates how novel food additives can promote the growth of harmful bacteria such as Clostridium difficile, leading to serious infections. This highlights the dynamic and sometimes detrimental impact of modern diets on gut microbiota, underscoring the importance of understanding how food additives influence gut health beyond macronutrient content.

Conclusion

This talk fundamentally challenges entrenched nutritional wisdom, particularly the universal promotion of dietary fiber for gut health. It provides evidence that high fiber intake, especially insoluble fiber, can worsen constipation and bloating, and that zero-fiber diets can effectively resolve these symptoms. It also clarifies the role of fermentable carbohydrates (FODMAPs) in digestive discomfort, even within low-carb diets, and cautions against simplistic views about the gut microbiome’s causal role in obesity. The nuanced examination of microbiota, SCFAs, and dietary additives like trehalose offers a more critical understanding of how diet shapes gut health. Ultimately, the speaker calls for a more evidence-based view of fiber and microbiota manipulation, advocating awareness of individual responses to fiber and fermentable carbohydrates, especially in low-carb dietary frameworks.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

For some people it's religion - they don't want to see what the heathens are saying. Any non-compliance is dogmatically meet with negativity. I can see why they got into this position, they build their identity and their ethics around their food - the introspection required to have a conversation would also require the ability to cast doubt on their own identity. That is difficult for anyone to do!

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Yeah... maybe explosive arrows to start with. But I think its credible they exported the war technology for their other conquests. The mongols are so fascinating. I love the Dan Carlin Hardcore History episodes on them.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

The RDA is an estimate of the minimum amount of protein needed to meet the needs of 97% of healthy adults. The RDA is designed to prevent malnutrition, not necessarily to promote “optimal” health. Institute of Medicine 2005: Dietary reference intakes for energy, carbohydrate, fiber, fat, fatty acids, cholesterol, protein, and amino acids

People who need to heal need more protein - such as burn victims, recovering from surgery, injuries, or even just body building (every day at the gym is a very minor injury the body repairs).

The protein debate about adequate levels is ongoing

I think its more sustainable for people to prioritize protein in their meals and eat until they are not longer hungry. Let the body's biofeedback mechanism be the guide.

What Western diets desperately do need to focus on, however, is fiber

Fibre is not a essential nutrient. Meaning it provides nothing the body can't produce on its own.

dietary fiber is a carbohydrate that resists digestion and absorption and may or may not undergo microbial fermentation in the large intestine. This definition is essentially the basis to its correlation between consumption levels and possible health benefits. https://doi.org/10.3390/nu2121266

Most of the reported benefits of Fibre are from people eating a unhealthy (western) diet, and the fibre reducing the impact of the bad food. I would agree fiber is a necessary to ameliorate a bad diet (western), but not necessary with a good diet.

There has been a associative link established between fibre consumption and gut biome diversity in the western diet, but we don't know what a good gut biome is yet. We have data that people eating zero fibre also have very diverse gut biomes.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

push back against the progress vegans have made

Two people reinforcing their assumptions about a group rather then talking to that group are not going to have a realistic view of the world.

For myself, I'm very concerned with reducing human suffering:

trend-lines

Carnivore is a tool, mostly used by people who have very specific problems. I tried to make that very clear in my decision tree post, which you downvoted - which means you read it, right?

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 2 hours ago

I don't think a crash diet is warranted as a intervention. Regardless of when you burn it (now vs later) its going to cause inflammation and reduced ATP production. I think its better to let it happen very slowly, naturally, so that your bodies inflammation budget is high and it isn't a big deal. Forcing it all at once doesn't seem like a great idea. Just keep eating clean and healthy!

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 3 hours ago (4 children)

The Mongols were lucky that the people they were fighting didn't have guns yet, back when being stronger and taller mattered.

It's possible the mongols had a key role in the history of gunpowder https://warhistory.org/@msw/article/the-mongol-wars-and-the-evolution-of-the-gun-1211-1279

The theory that they spread the knowledge and concept across their empire is interesting

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

You are what you eat. It's insidious. It makes sense that fat is stored energy so if we build it with bad things when we unpack it will still be bad.

Kinda like the LSD users who get random trips throughout their lives from stores LSD in their fat.

I suppose you could speed up the LA usage by doing fasting and refeeding with clean food.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 3 hours ago

Industry funded research wouldn't be trusted, but it would kick off more interest and research to confirm or deny oxalate theories.

I'm lucky that I was never a big fan of oxalate foods during my Omnivore days. I never went through any dumping symptoms

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 3 hours ago

The ice age diet!

 

A shop of curiosities and a curious shop keeper... a steven king movie.

I really enjoyed it, the pacing, the tension was just right.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 3 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Health effects associated with consumption of processed meat, sugar-sweetened beverages and trans fatty acids: a Burden of Proof study

Study title... CNN title is only about meat.

A meta-analysis of observational epidemiology

All of the issues with epidemiology apply

  • association is not causation
  • hypothesis generating only
  • healthy user confounders
  • people eating meat are often eating high carbohydrate diets
  • metabolic context of the participants
  • food frequency questionnaires filled out yearly or every 4 years.

I don't have access to the paper, it hasn't made it to the Free Academic circles yet, so I haven't been able to read it.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 7 points 1 day ago

Make friends in meat space. Have activities you do with other people regularly

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 3 points 1 day ago

I don't think you should stop, the use case you described is you WANT to have a conversation about the cross-posts you are doing. Your not motivated by trying to starve out another community. You are personally choosing what to cross post and not reposting EVERYTHING from a different community.

 

Why This Could Happen When You Start Carnivore Are you experiencing joint pain, rashes, fatigue, or strange symptoms after starting the carnivore diet? You might be dealing with oxalate dumping—a hidden detox process that most people have never heard of.

In this video, Dr. Tony Hampton breaks down:

  • What oxalates are and how they build up in the body
  • What “dumping” really means and why it happens when you stop eating plants
  • The symptoms to watch for—and how to know it’s not just “the meat”
  • Step-by-step strategies to reduce oxalate dumping symptoms
  • What to eat and avoid during this detox phase

Whether you're new to carnivore, coming from a plant-based diet, or just want to understand what’s happening inside your body, this video gives you the science, solutions, and encouragement to keep going.

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Summary

The video, presented by Dr. Tony Hampton, addresses a common concern among people who have recently started the carnivore diet or other low-carb regimens like keto: feeling worse instead of better. Symptoms such as joint pain, rashes, fatigue, cloudy urine, and other strange bodily sensations may actually be due to a process called oxalate dumping rather than the diet itself. Oxalates are natural defense compounds found in many plant foods like spinach, almonds, beets, and sweet potatoes. When consumed in large quantities over time, oxalates accumulate in the body’s tissues, joints, kidneys, and skin, often without immediate symptoms. However, when someone suddenly cuts these oxalate-rich foods out of their diet, the body begins to detoxify and release stored oxalates—a process known as oxalate dumping. This can cause uncomfortable and confusing symptoms that mimic illness or diet intolerance.

Dr. Hampton explains that oxalate dumping can take days, weeks, or even months to begin after dietary changes. People who previously consumed high-oxalate diets or had gut issues like leaky gut, IBS, or SIBO are especially prone to this. There may also be genetic factors affecting oxalate excretion. To manage oxalate dumping, Dr. Hampton advises not to panic or quit the diet but to ease the transition by tapering off oxalate-rich foods gradually rather than abruptly. Hydration, mineral intake (especially calcium and magnesium), electrolyte balance, gut and liver support, and avoiding high doses of vitamin C are all critical strategies to support detoxification and reduce symptoms. He recommends carnivore-friendly foods rich in natural calcium and nutrients, such as beef, lamb, pork, eggs, sardines with bones, and bone broth.

Oxalate dumping is difficult to diagnose with standard medical tests and is primarily identified through symptom patterns correlated with dietary changes. Dr. Hampton reassures viewers that feeling worse initially is a sign of the body beginning to heal and detoxify, not a failure of the diet. He encourages patience, education, and support, emphasizing that this phase is temporary and that perseverance will lead to breakthroughs in health.

Highlights

  • 🥩 Oxalate dumping occurs when the body releases stored oxalates after cutting out high-oxalate plant foods.
  • 🌿 Oxalates are natural compounds in many plants used as defense mechanisms against being eaten.
  • ⚠️ Symptoms of oxalate dumping include joint pain, rashes, fatigue, cloudy urine, and headaches.
  • 🐄 Gradually tapering off oxalate-rich foods helps reduce the severity of dumping symptoms.
  • 💧 Staying hydrated and maintaining mineral balance, especially calcium and magnesium, supports oxalate detox.
  • 🔍 Oxalate dumping is mostly diagnosed through clinical history and symptom patterns, not routine lab tests.
  • 💪 Feeling worse temporarily is a sign of healing, not a reason to quit the carnivore or keto diet.

Key Insights

  • 🧬 Oxalates as a Plant Defense Mechanism: Oxalates serve as a natural defense for plants, discouraging animals from consuming them by forming sharp crystals that can irritate or harm tissues. This evolutionary adaptation explains why many nutritious plants contain these compounds and why they can accumulate harmfully in humans who consume them regularly over time. Understanding this biological role helps contextualize why oxalate accumulation occurs and why sudden removal of these foods triggers detox symptoms.

  • 🔄 Oxalate Dumping as a Detoxification Process: The concept of oxalate dumping reframes adverse symptoms experienced on diets like carnivore or keto as a natural healing process. When the intake of oxalates stops, the body sequestered oxalates begin to mobilize and exit through urine and tissues. This process can produce symptoms that mimic illness or diet intolerance, causing confusion and leading some to abandon beneficial diets prematurely. Recognizing oxalate dumping prevents misattribution of symptoms and promotes adherence.

  • 🕰️ Variable Onset and Duration of Symptoms: Oxalate dumping symptoms don’t always appear immediately after dietary change; they can arise days, weeks, or months later. This delayed and fluctuating timing adds complexity to diagnosis and management. Symptoms are often transient, migratory, and cyclical, reflecting the dynamic nature of oxalate mobilization. Patients and clinicians should maintain awareness of this pattern to avoid misdiagnosis.

  • 👥 Risk Factors Increase Oxalate Load: Diets high in spinach, nuts, sweet potatoes, and other oxalate-rich foods, combined with gut issues such as leaky gut, IBS, or SIBO, increase oxalate absorption and storage. Additionally, genetic differences in oxalate transport proteins can impair excretion. This multifactorial risk profile explains why some individuals experience severe symptoms while others do not, underscoring the need for personalized dietary transitions.

  • 🛠️ Practical Strategies Mitigate Symptoms: Gradual dietary tapering rather than abrupt elimination of oxalates lessens the intensity of dumping symptoms by allowing the body to detoxify more gently. Adequate hydration supports renal excretion of oxalates, while calcium and magnesium bind oxalates in the gut to prevent reabsorption. Supporting gut and liver health through nutrient-dense foods and supplements facilitates detox pathways. Avoiding high-dose vitamin C is crucial because excess vitamin C converts to oxalates.

  • 🔬 Challenges in Medical Diagnosis: Oxalate dumping is primarily a clinical diagnosis based on patient history and symptom chronology rather than standard laboratory tests. While oxalate crystals may be visible under a microscope in urine, this is rarely assessed clinically. Awareness among healthcare professionals remains low, leading to potential misdiagnosis or unnecessary investigations.

  • 🌟 Healing Is a Process, Not an Event: Dr. Hampton’s message emphasizes that worsening symptoms during dietary transitions are not failures but signs of the body’s innate ability to heal and clear accumulated toxins. This perspective encourages patience, reduces fear, and builds resilience during challenging phases. Support, education, and gradual dietary adjustments empower individuals to continue their health journeys without losing hope.

This comprehensive understanding of oxalate dumping offers valuable guidance not only for those adopting carnivore or keto diets but for anyone transitioning away from high-oxalate plant-based eating patterns. By recognizing and managing oxalate dumping, individuals can avoid unnecessary distress, optimize detoxification, and ultimately achieve improved health outcomes.

 

Adhering to the ketogenic diet can reduce or stop seizures, even when other treatments fail, via mechanism(s) distinct from other available therapies. These results have led to interest in the diet for treating conditions such as Alzheimer’s disease, depression and schizophrenia. Evidence points to the neuromodulator adenosine as a key mechanism underlying therapeutic benefits of a ketogenic diet. Adenosine represents a unique and direct link among cell energy, neuronal activity, and gene expression, and adenosine receptors form functional heteromers with dopamine receptors. The importance of the dopaminergic system is established in addiction, as are the challenges of modulating the dopamine system directly. A mediator that could antagonize dopamine’s effects would be useful, and adenosine is such a mediator due to its function and location. Studies report that the ketogenic diet improves cognition, sociability, and perseverative behaviors, and might improve depression. Many of the translational opportunities based on the ketogenic diet/adenosine link have come to the fore, including addiction, autism spectrum disorder, painful conditions, and a range of hyperdopaminergic disorders.

Full Paper At: https://doi.org/10.3389/fnut.2025.1492306

 

Can adenosine and a ketogenic diet help treat addiction? New research explores the powerful role of adenosine, dopamine, and metabolic health in addiction, and how dietary strategies could support recovery.

In this interview, Dr. Bret Scher speaks with Dr. Susan Masino, a neuroscience and psychology professor at Trinity College, about her groundbreaking work on adenosine and its potential to regulate addiction through metabolic pathways. They dive into:

  • The dopamine-addiction connection
  • The role of adenosine in addiction and how it balances dopamine activity
  • The role of ketogenic diets in boosting adenosine
  • Other mechanisms supporting keto for treating addiction
  • Why food, sugar, and even phone addiction may share common roots
  • How metabolic therapies could support recovery from addiction, depression, and more

Dr. Masino also shares insights on how habits, stress, inflammation, and neuroplasticity all intersect with metabolic health—and what that means for mental health and addiction treatment going forward.

Resources Mentioned: Ketogenic diet, adenosine, and dopamine in addiction and psychiatry - frontiersin.org/journals/nutrition/articles/10.3389/fnut.2025.1492306/full

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The video features an in-depth interview with Dr. Susan Msino, a distinguished professor specializing in applied sciences, neuroscience, and psychology at Trinity College. The conversation explores the intriguing connections between ketogenic diets, adenosine, dopamine, and addiction. Dr. Msino outlines how diet, particularly ketogenic and low-carb diets, may influence addiction behaviors by modulating brain chemistry, specifically through adenosine’s interaction with dopamine. Dopamine, a neurotransmitter linked to reward and habit formation, plays a central role in addiction, but adenosine acts as a natural brake on dopamine activity. This interaction suggests that enhancing adenosine signaling via ketogenic diets could potentially mitigate addictive behaviors and improve metabolic health.

Dr. Msino elaborates on adenosine’s multifaceted role in the brain and body, highlighting its neuroprotective properties, ability to promote sleep, relieve pain, and regulate neuronal metabolism and epigenetics. She explains how adenosine’s receptor activity counterbalances dopamine spikes that lead to addictive cravings. The ketogenic diet is proposed to increase ATP (adenosine triphosphate) production, which is a precursor to adenosine, thereby potentially boosting adenosine’s beneficial effects. This metabolic shift could help reduce addiction risks, improve sleep, and address psychiatric comorbidities such as depression and bipolar disorder.

Although current research is primarily preclinical, including rodent studies on cocaine addiction, anecdotal human reports suggest ketogenic diets may help resolve addictions to substances like cocaine and alcohol. Dr. Msino emphasizes the need for more robust clinical research and collaborative efforts to fully understand and harness this potential. She also touches on the broader implications for food addiction, stress-induced relapse, metabolic psychiatry, and neurological disorders such as epilepsy and autism, where adenosine and metabolic therapies like ketogenic diets may offer therapeutic benefits.

Finally, the discussion includes broader evolutionary and physiological perspectives on adenosine as a stress-response molecule that helps brains adapt and learn, as well as potential non-dietary interventions such as exercise and hot yoga to stimulate adenosine. Dr. Msino calls for increased research and funding to explore adenosine’s unique role in modulating brain function, addiction, and metabolic health.

Highlights

  • 🧠 Dopamine drives addictive behaviors but adenosine acts as a natural brake on dopamine’s effects.
  • 🥑 Ketogenic diets may increase adenosine by boosting mitochondrial ATP production, influencing addiction pathways.
  • 🔬 Current research is mostly preclinical but promising anecdotal evidence exists for ketogenic diets reducing cocaine and alcohol addiction.
  • 😴 Adenosine promotes sleep and neuroprotection, linking metabolic health with mental health and addiction recovery.
  • 🔄 Addiction, sleep disorders, depression, and metabolic dysfunction often co-occur and may be addressed simultaneously through metabolic therapies.
  • 💡 Adenosine also plays a role in epilepsy control and potentially other neurological and psychiatric disorders.
  • 🤝 More collaborative research and funding are needed to explore adenosine’s full therapeutic potential in addiction and brain health.

Key Insights

  • 🧬 Adenosine-Dopamine Interaction as a Therapeutic Target: Adenosine receptors, particularly the A1 subtype, form heteromers with dopamine receptors, creating a balancing mechanism where increased adenosine activity suppresses dopamine signaling. This molecular interaction can blunt the excessive dopamine surges that underlie addictive behaviors, suggesting that therapies enhancing adenosine could reduce addiction severity and relapse risk. This insight opens new avenues for addiction treatment beyond traditional pharmacotherapy.

  • 🥑 Metabolic Health and Addiction Are Deeply Linked: Ketogenic diets enhance mitochondrial function and raise ATP levels, which subsequently increase extracellular adenosine concentrations. This metabolic shift not only supports brain energy demands but also modulates neurotransmitter systems related to addiction and mood regulation. Addressing addiction through metabolic interventions like ketogenic diets could therefore target root causes rather than just symptoms, providing a holistic approach to recovery.

  • 🧠 Adenosine’s Multifunctional Role in Brain Health: Beyond addiction, adenosine acts as a neuroprotective agent during metabolic stress, a sleep promoter, and a modulator of epigenetic changes. Its role as a “pan-disease molecule” makes it a promising target for various neurological and psychiatric disorders, including epilepsy, depression, Huntington’s disease, and autism. Enhancing adenosine signaling may confer broad brain health benefits, especially when combined with metabolic therapies.

  • 🔄 Stress and Hypoglycemia as Addiction Relapse Triggers: Stress-induced relapse is a major challenge in addiction treatment, and both adenosine signaling and glucose metabolism influence stress responses. Ketogenic diets may stabilize blood sugar levels and reduce stress-related triggers for relapse by modulating adenosine pathways. This dual mechanism highlights the importance of metabolic stability in maintaining long-term sobriety and mental health.

  • 🍽️ Translatability to Food and Behavioral Addictions: The mechanisms involving dopamine and adenosine in substance addiction likely extend to non-substance addictions such as food, sugar, and behavioral addictions (e.g., cell phone use, gambling). Since these addictions share dopaminergic reward pathways, metabolic interventions that regulate adenosine could potentially help manage compulsive behaviors across diverse addiction types.

  • 🧪 Need for Human Clinical Trials and Interdisciplinary Research: Most existing data on adenosine and ketogenic diet effects on addiction come from animal studies or anecdotal reports. Dr. Msino emphasizes the necessity of well-designed human clinical trials to confirm efficacy and mechanisms. Collaborative efforts among neuroscientists, psychiatrists, nutritionists, and metabolic researchers are critical to advancing this field and creating effective metabolic psychiatry treatments.

  • 🏋️ Non-Dietary Ways to Modulate Adenosine: Besides ketogenic diets, physiological interventions such as exercise, hot yoga, acupuncture, and brain stimulation therapies may elevate adenosine levels and improve brain plasticity. These options offer complementary or alternative routes to harness adenosine’s benefits for addiction, mental health, and neuroprotection, broadening therapeutic possibilities.

Conclusion

This interview underscores a groundbreaking paradigm where metabolic therapies, especially ketogenic diets, could revolutionize addiction treatment by modulating adenosine and dopamine pathways. Adenosine’s unique role as a neuroprotective, sleep-promoting, and epigenetic-regulating molecule positions it at the intersection of brain metabolism and addiction neuroscience. While preliminary evidence is promising, especially from animal studies and anecdotal human reports, rigorous clinical research is essential to validate these findings and translate them into practice. The integration of metabolic health into psychiatry could simultaneously address addiction, mental illness, and neurological disorders, offering hope for more effective, multifaceted treatments.

 

I was doing so good, 10 months of clean pure carnivore. I had amazing results (45kg lost). I didn't have any cravings.

I feel off the wagon 2 weeks ago. It started innocently enough - A friend visiting from out of town wanted to go to a coffee shop and eat. They had pastrami bagels, I got one, scrapped off the meat - didn't eat the bagel. It was good. Really good. I found myself ordering this pastrami bagel to my house. Slowly enough that I didn't realize it, my old carvings came back. I found myself thinking of a deep dish pizza, over and over and over again.

There must have been sugar in the pastrami, I think I got triggered. I got the pizza, rationalizing it - I've been so good, just one cheat will be fine, then back on track. I felt bloated, stuffed, sick even - for the rest of the day. But... the next day, now I REALLY wanted a pizza - Fuck it. Got the pizza, and coffee (oh, did I mention I quit coffee 5 months ago?), and rice krispie treats.

Fast forward a few binge days... I'm feeling both HUNGRY and bloated at the same time. I tell myself I'm in control, I just need to get it out of my system. I fast for one day. I feel back in control. So it's ok to cheat again... pizza again.

During this 2 week orgy of old habits - I ate a bunch of pizza, rice krispies, cookies (that I hated, but still finished). Eventually I stopped feeling bloated, I just felt hungry.

Serious things I noticed

  • Constant cravings for old addictions
  • Gained 2kg
  • eczema came back on my hands
  • pimple breakout
  • acid reflux while trying to sleep
  • old joint problem flared up, with constant pain
  • eye floaters came back
  • gym performance steady decreased
  • gym recovery time went from almost immediate, to 3 days
  • sauna endurance plummeted (I could only stand half the time)
  • reduced sexual function

So why, why with these bad things, the constant joint pain, the acne, the eczema, the bloating... did I keep going on? When I ate I felt like I could stop it, but every day I told myself the next day. Tomorrow never came. The urges were persistent, just there constantly, I could say no... for a few hours but eventually I pulled the trigger.

8 days ago my friend came over, she has uncontrolled t2d, we both agreed to start getting clean the next day. I tried, she tried, we both couldn't do it... but I lied to her, I said I was being clean (or rather omitting that I had cheated on our pact). and the next day, and the next day.

4 days ago - I finally was able to stay clean all day. I was extremely triggered. Like a degenerate I kept putting food into my delivery app, looking at it, looking at different options - browsing my own food hookup app. I could have a Cannoli, it's been years since I had a cannoli! How about one last rice krispie, some fudge? Looking at my youtube watch history it was dominated by food, food preparation, more food porn. I struggled through it until the pizza place was closed, and I could hold off till the next day

3 days ago - The cravings were diminished, but replaced by a persistent longing - a gossamer hand on my shoulder turning me to old thoughts. It got bad, I almost cracked. Finally I mixed 75g of protein powder as a shake and downed it... Felt bloated, felt painfully full, but the food noise died down enough I could get past that day.

2 days ago - Mostly clean all day, I had the urge but if I kept busy I could ignore it. When I slowed down or had time to myself it came back. I was clean for two days, one last taste to set me up for success... I talked with my friend, we talked about the struggle, getting someone else involved helped.

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TLDR - Linoleic acid is bad, has gone up by 140%, has a half life of 600 days, and gets stored in fat tissue, Dietary sources of LA (industrial oils) have a direct influence on body composition.

Linoleic acid (LA) is a bioactive fatty acid with diverse effects on human physiology and pathophysiology. LA is a major dietary fatty acid, and also one of the most abundant fatty acids in adipose tissue, where its concentration reflects dietary intake. Over the last half century in the United States, dietary LA intake has greatly increased as dietary fat sources have shifted toward polyunsaturated seed oils such as soybean oil. We have conducted a systematic literature review of studies reporting the concentration of LA in subcutaneous adipose tissue of US cohorts. Our results indicate that adipose tissue LA has increased by 136% over the last half century and that this increase is highly correlated with an increase in dietary LA intake over the same period of time.

Full Paper https://doi.org/10.3945/an.115.009944

 

What was your latest bad idea?


I drink a cold brew this morning, because it was sitting on my desk from yesterday... Cold brew concentrate. Then after finishing my drink I went to the sauna.... This was not a good decision.

The sauna exercises the cardiovascular system

Coffee stimulates the cardiovascular system (in a different way)

I did not feel good! I only lasted half my normal time. I wont be mixing coffee and extreme heat again.

 

Pretty good overall. Interesting to see Tommy Lee Jones do a rambo. The pacing of the older films is a little difficult to watch, so I watched it at 2x speed.

The inclusion of the two over the hill pudgy mercenaries at the end was a curious touch.

Tommy Lee as the everyman.

 

Seasons 1-3 are great, very compelling. The storytelling is nicely done, the scripts are tight the first few seasons.

I'm now at season 4 and it kinda goes off it's rocker. I find myself playing season 4 at 2x speed

I think they are trying to parallel some mix of the Clintons. It's a very cynical show.

 

The withdrawal from psychiatric medication tapering can be incredibly complex, and doing it safely requires both medical and psychological support.

But, as Dr. Anders Sørensen highlights in this interview, the guidelines around medication tapering and withdrawal miss a lot of important nuances that can prevent people from being successful.

In this interview, psychologist and PhD researcher Dr. Anders Sørensen shares his decade-long experience helping people taper off psychiatric medications. He covers the biological and emotional aspects of withdrawal, the science behind tapering strategies like hyperbolic tapering, and why psychotherapy plays a vital role during and after the process. You'll also learn how short-term clinical studies shaped medical guidelines and why those guidelines may not reflect the lived experience of long-term patients.

Timestamps:
0:00 - Introduction to Dr. Anders Sørensen and deprescribing psychiatric medications.
5:07 - The context around deprescribing medications.
8:13 - How does the research around deprescribing medication compare to what is seen in the personal experience of patients?
12:19 - Synthetic drugs vs the natural brain. How does the brain respond to these drugs? How does this lead to withdrawal?
20:10 - How is tapering medication individualized for a patient?
26:27 - What is the difference between mild and severe medication withdrawal?
30:34 - What happens after someone is off medications? How do people’s experiences change
41:40 - Where to hear more from Anders Sørensen.

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Summary

This video features an in-depth interview with Dr. Andrew Sorenson, a Danish psychologist with a PhD in psychiatry, who specializes in helping people safely taper off psychiatric medications and manage their emotional recovery afterward. The discussion addresses the significant disconnect between clinical guidelines on medication withdrawal and the real-world experiences of patients. Dr. Sorenson explains that current guidelines, based on short-term studies, often describe withdrawal symptoms as mild and brief, which contradicts the prolonged and severe symptoms many patients endure after long-term use. He emphasizes that withdrawal symptoms are a physiological response to the brain’s adaptation to the synthetic substances introduced by psychiatric drugs.

Dr. Sorenson stresses the importance of a carefully managed tapering process, known as hyperbolic tapering, which involves very small, gradual dose reductions, especially at lower doses where the drug’s effects are most potent. He highlights that stopping medications too quickly can lead to severe withdrawal symptoms that may be mistaken for relapse or illness recurrence, causing patients to believe they need the drugs indefinitely. The tapering process must be personalized, as rigid schedules do not suit everyone.

Beyond tapering, the interview explores the emotional and psychological challenges that arise once medications are discontinued. Dr. Sorenson advocates for psychotherapy to help individuals reconnect with their emotions, understand their triggers, and develop internal emotional regulation skills—an essential part of sustaining recovery. He discusses how psychiatric drugs often numb emotions, and coming off them can lead to a difficult but ultimately liberating process of “waking up” to oneself.

Importantly, Dr. Sorenson acknowledges that psychiatric medications are neither inherently good nor bad and that many people benefit from them. However, the body’s biological adaptation to these drugs means that cessation requires care and support. He also underscores the complementary role of metabolic and lifestyle therapies, such as ketogenic diets, which can aid in managing symptoms during tapering and beyond.

Throughout the interview, Dr. Sorenson calls for an update to clinical guidelines to reflect the lived experiences of patients, better education for clinicians, and a more integrated approach combining medical, psychological, and lifestyle support for people coming off psychiatric medications.

Highlights

  • 🧠 Dr. Andrew Sorenson bridges psychology and psychiatry to help patients safely taper off psychiatric medications.
  • ⚠️ Clinical guidelines underestimate the severity and duration of withdrawal symptoms after long-term drug use.
  • 🔄 Withdrawal symptoms occur because the brain adapts to synthetic drugs and must readjust during tapering.
  • 🐢 Hyperbolic tapering—very gradual dose reduction—is crucial, especially at lower doses, to minimize withdrawal.
  • 💡 Emotional recovery post-tapering requires psychotherapy to help patients understand and regulate feelings returning after drug cessation.
  • 🌿 Metabolic and lifestyle therapies, including ketogenic diets, can support tapering and emotional well-being.
  • 📚 Dr. Sorenson advocates for updated guidelines, clinician education, and holistic care to improve withdrawal experiences.

Key Insights

  • 🧬 The Disconnect Between Guidelines and Reality: Current psychiatric withdrawal guidelines are primarily based on short-term studies (8-12 weeks), yet many patients take medications for years. This leads to a mismatch where guidelines describe withdrawal as short-lived and mild, while real-world patients experience prolonged, severe symptoms. This disconnect causes confusion and self-blame, as patients believe their symptoms mean relapse or personal failure, not withdrawal. Updating guidelines to include long-term use data is critical for better patient care and clinician awareness.

  • ⚖️ Homeostasis and Brain Adaptation: Psychiatric medications are synthetic compounds that alter neurotransmitter activity. The brain’s homeostatic mechanisms counteract these changes by adjusting receptor sensitivity and neurotransmitter production. This biological adaptation means that when medication is reduced or stopped, the brain is temporarily out of balance, producing withdrawal symptoms. Understanding this mechanism reframes withdrawal symptoms not as signs of illness recurrence, but as physiological signals to taper more cautiously.

  • 🐢 Hyperbolic Tapering and Dose Sensitivity: The effect of psychiatric drugs is not linear to the dose. At higher doses, larger reductions can be tolerated, but at lower doses, even small decreases can cause disproportionate withdrawal symptoms. This necessitates hyperbolic tapering, involving dose reductions as small as 3-10% of the previous dose, sometimes requiring dissolution or compounding of pills. This nuanced approach challenges the common “cut by X% every Y weeks” advice and demands individualized, flexible tapering schedules.

  • 🔄 Withdrawal vs. Relapse—A Crucial Distinction: Withdrawal symptoms and relapse of the original mental health condition are often conflated. Withdrawal symptoms arise from neurochemical imbalance during tapering, whereas relapse indicates the return of the underlying illness. Misinterpreting withdrawal as relapse leads patients to restart medications unnecessarily, perpetuating dependency. Recognizing withdrawal’s temporal nature and managing it through slower tapering and supportive therapy can prevent this cycle.

  • 💭 Psychotherapy as an Integral Part of Coming Off: Psychiatric medications often numb or distort emotions. When medications are withdrawn, emotions resurface strongly and sometimes painfully. Psychotherapy plays a vital role in helping patients identify, understand, and regulate these emotions rather than suppressing or fearing them. Teaching emotional literacy, acceptance, and internal locus of control enables patients to navigate this transition healthily, reducing the risk of emotional overwhelm and relapse.

  • 🌿 Lifestyle and Metabolic Interventions Support Withdrawal: Psychological tools alone may not address all symptoms experienced during tapering. Dr. Sorenson highlights the importance of metabolic therapies, such as ketogenic diets, to alleviate physical and emotional symptoms like inner restlessness and anxiety. Integrating diet, exercise, and other lifestyle factors with tapering and psychotherapy can create a more comprehensive support system for patients, enhancing outcomes and quality of life.

  • 📣 Need for Holistic, Informed Care and Education: The current psychiatric system often lacks sufficient training and resources for managing withdrawal effectively. Dr. Sorenson’s work emphasizes the need for clinicians to be educated on the complexities of withdrawal, including hyperbolic tapering and emotional support strategies. Additionally, patients benefit from access to multidisciplinary teams combining medical, psychological, and metabolic expertise. Shifting the narrative away from blaming patients toward validating their withdrawal experiences is essential for compassionate care.

Conclusion

This interview sheds critical light on the challenges faced by individuals withdrawing from psychiatric medications and the gaps in current clinical practice and guidance. Dr. Sorenson’s expertise reveals that withdrawal is a complex physiological and psychological process requiring slow, individualized tapering and comprehensive emotional support. His call for updated guidelines, clinician education, and integrated therapeutic approaches aligns with a growing movement to improve patient-centered care in psychiatry. The insights provided offer hope and practical direction for patients and providers navigating the difficult journey of coming off psychiatric drugs.

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