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[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 1 hour ago

I think there’s no replacement for giving a shit.

Everyone in the chain must give a shit, or you will only get shit.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 1 hour ago

I bet you one of the bastards has barbecue sauce on him

Negative - BBQ sauce is a tool of oppression - filled with insulin spiking sugar.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 0 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

attack the elite while we’re on that?

you mean the crypto-adventist agenda carriers? Sure, why not.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 1 hour ago (4 children)

I’m hoping to find some actionable people and radicalise together

That is exactly what we want - fix modern chronic disease - fix the epidemic of type 2 diabetes. Join us in the insulin crusades!

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 0 points 2 hours ago (6 children)

i block politics on lemmy, its much nicer

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[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 3 hours ago

Every FFQ calls that stuff meat.

 

95% of every nutritional discussion on lemmy.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

hardly strong proof.

Yup, early days, but it isn't contradicted by observed data - which makes the mitochondrial metabolic theory of cancer interesting. There are a few (8 i think) ongoing glioblastoma studies being run independently of Seyfried in NZ I think - so I wait to see those results. the press-pulse protocol paper is being used in some AU studies at the moment as well.

The critique’s from the article I linked seem exactly as valid now as they were when it was written.

My main concern with that article is that it isn't peer reviewed, the author is no stranger to publishing papers (100+ i could find), so why not publish his critique?

I think part of the problem is his smoking gun - https://doi.org/10.3892/ijo.2014.2382 - didn't actually use a ketogenic diet - 60g a day of carbs isn't therapeutic levels of ketosis (i.e. many people wont be in ketosis at this level), and they measured with urine strips - in 2014!!! - that's crazy. so they couldn't compute the GKI, which was a cornerstone of Seyfried's (at the time) kmt protocol.

As far as the human interventions go there is only the one published intervention - 6 patients - https://doi.org/10.3389/fnut.2024.1489812 - Successful application of dietary ketogenic metabolic therapy in patients with glioblastoma: a clinical study

There are a bunch of case studies (about 15 in total i think), which I'm sure you saw.

about 40 patients demonstrating keto was well tolerated during standard of care treatment in other studies.

and about 18 KMT papers where seyfried isn't directly involved, covering about 250 patients, all basically saying its tolerated as well.

none of this contradicts the mitochondrial metabolic theory of cancer. so yeah, if Gorski wants to hang onto the somatic mutation theory of cancer that is fine, but he doesn't actually have anything interesting to say about the metabolic theory other then he wants more data - whooptidoo - every theory and study wants more data.

And I mean, those single cases that he presents in this video are a huge red flag, that just isn’t science and isn’t how a legitimate scientist presents evidence.

It is when your close to retirement age and you don't worry about tenure and committees anymore. His papers haven't been retracted, which is the key point, and his human study protocols are implemented in ongoing trials. So his theory is interesting and worth thinking about, and not dismissing - even if you don't like someone if they have a theory that makes predictions with measurable outcomes - it's interesting.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 4 hours ago

well, someone was making fun of zero carbers using a meme which inspired me today

anti-zero-carb-inspiration

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

I agree salt by itself is fine, but combined with sugar and other simple carbohydrates, you’ve got all the triggers that make people addicted to junk food.

yup, totally agreed, salt combined with carbohydrates (simple or complex) is a recipe for hyper tension. 

I won’t comment on the other points since I disagree on plants being bad in general, but neither of us will be able to convince the other. So eat what you like and what agrees with you, and I’ll do the same.

100%. Allow me to have some nuance - people can be, and are, perfectly healthy on a plant based diet. i.e. lots of people tolerant plants very well, but not everybody can.

I just wish there were more recipe and picture posts in this community.

I post food on occasion - but my version of zero carb is quite lazy! so my food photos are a little repetitive

my last food photo

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

You will not find any research backing the idea that salt is unhealthy before the point it starts to taste bad, because all it has ever been is a hypothesis.

There are some t2ds who are salt super-responders, there is literature documenting them. However, if you fix their insulin that goes away.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Wait a cotton picking minute - no pulling wool over your eyes.

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The problem with meat..... isn't the meat - it's the bad company it keeps

 
 

Josie talks about her journey on the carnivore diet. Josie Lieder spent 14 years vegan before developing severe ulcerative colitis, repeated bloody diarrhea, major health decline, and two hospitalizations. After introducing bone broth, then animal foods, then a carnivore diet, her digestion, skin, inflammation, weight stability, satiety, and mental health improved. She now maintains a mostly red-meat carnivore diet, avoids plant-food reintroductions that trigger symptoms

summerizerEarly Health Alarm and Vegan Conversion

  • At 11, Super Size Me gave Josie a sense that she had control over her health.
  • At 13, a PETA tent at Vans Warped Tour led Josie to watch Earthlings and change her diet overnight.
  • Josie became vegan immediately because she believed it was healthiest, most ethical, and best for her skin.
  • In hindsight, Josie knew something was wrong with the Standard American Diet, but moved in the wrong direction.

Fourteen Vegan Years and Illness

  • Josie stayed vegan for 14 years without cheating and moved from meat substitutes to whole-food plant-based eating.
  • During those years, Josie had weight swings, dry skin, rosacea, poor mental health, and low self-esteem.
  • After about 10 years vegan, ulcerative colitis hit with diarrhea 10 to 20-plus times a day and heavy blood in stool.
  • Josie was hospitalized twice, and one doctor told her the severe episode could have killed her.
  • Doctors told Josie it was genetic, lifelong, medication-dependent, and incompatible with full-time work or having children.

Breaking Point and Animal Foods

  • In 2021, after another severe flare and years of avoiding medication, Josie tried bone broth.
  • Within a week, digestion and skin improved enough for Josie to see a workable path.
  • Over about six months, Josie reintroduced animal products in steps because she was still afraid of them.
  • After four to five months, colitis symptoms were mostly in remission before beef returned.
  • With beef and a meat-based diet, digestion, skin, inflammation, weight, and mental health improved further.
  • Carnivore finished the process: normal digestion returned after nearly a decade, and plant-food tests still bring symptoms.

Identity and Social Response

  • Reintroducing animal foods created a full identity crisis after a decade of vegan commitment.
  • Health gains overrode guilt and social pressure because Josie's body was improving quickly and drastically.
  • Friends and acquaintances were shocked, but their reactions did not change Josie's decision.
  • Josie's fiancé started carnivore with her, improved too, and added white rice only because strict carnivore made him lose too much weight.

Current Diet and Routine

  • Dinner is usually steak, ground beef, eggs, salmon, shrimp, or poultry, with red meat as the base.
  • Red meat is about 60 to 70% of Josie's diet because she feels best eating steak and ground beef.
  • Josie usually eats two meals a day, sometimes one meal when she is busy.
  • Coffee stays in the routine: organic coffee with heavy cream, butter or beef tallow, and salt.
  • Compared with vegan eating, cravings and food noise are gone, and a smaller amount of food brings complete satiety.

Current Commitment and Advice

  • After about four and a half years carnivore, Josie has no desire to go back.
  • Small additions like organic hot sauce or avocado usually bring brain fog or skin irritation.
  • For people starting, Josie recommends a 30-day carnivore trial and a gradual transition when needed.
  • Josie would step down from processed foods and excess sugar first, then vegetables, then fruit.
  • Josie shares the journey, recipes, experiments, and Coming Around to Carnivore through The X Plant Eater platforms.

References

 

Cancer is a mitochondrial metabolic disease driven by impaired respiration and compensatory glucose/glutamine fermentation, not primarily nuclear mutations. Management centers on press-pulse metabolic therapy: lowering glucose and glutamine, raising ketones, and combining diet, fasting, hyperbaric oxygen, and targeted drug pulses.

A presentation by Professor Thomas Seyfried recorded during the March 2026 Grand Rounds of the Australasian Metabolic Health Society

summerizerMitochondrial origin of cancer

  • The mitochondrial-metabolic model links cancer to chronic damage in oxidative phosphorylation as the origin of malignant behavior.
  • The somatic mutation theory is weakened by tumor nuclei regaining regulated growth in normal cytoplasm, while tumor cytoplasm drives death or dysregulated growth.
  • Nuclear-transfer experiments in frogs, medulloblastoma mice, and melanoma mice place the decisive cancer defect outside the nucleus.
  • The National Cancer Institute definition keeps cancer inside a genetic-disease view, while the lecture places the core defect in mitochondrial energy production.

Energy metabolism and tumor growth

  • Warburg identified insufficient respiration and compensatory fermentation through glucose-derived lactate.
  • Glutamine fermentation adds a second major fuel stream, producing succinate in damaged mitochondria.
  • Glucose and glutamine supply ATP, carbons, and nitrogen for membranes, proteins, nucleotides, lipids, and other biomass.
  • Lactic and succinic acid create an acidic microenvironment that supports invasion and weakens drug and immune effects.
  • Reactive oxygen species arise downstream from damaged respiration and can produce the mutations seen in tumor genomes.

Cancer hallmarks from damaged mitochondria

  • Cell-cycle disorder follows mitochondrial effects on nuclear gene expression and regulatory control.
  • Loss of contact inhibition follows calcium and adhesion defects at the tumor-cell surface.
  • Angiogenesis follows HIF-1 alpha and c-MYC opening glucose and glutamine transport pathways.
  • Failed apoptosis follows dysfunction in the organelle that normally controls programmed cell death.
  • Metastasis follows fusion between a cancer stem cell and a macrophage-like immune cell, creating a mobile glucose- and glutamine-driven cell.

Metabolic management strategy

  • Management requires lowering glucose and glutamine while raising fatty acids and ketones.
  • Cancer cells cannot rely on fatty acids or ketone bodies when glucose and glutamine are unavailable.
  • Water-only fasting, calorie restriction, low-carbohydrate diets, ketogenic diets, ketone supplements, exercise, stress control, hyperbaric oxygen, and pulse drugs fit this strategy.
  • The glucose ketone index tracks the glucose-to-ketone ratio, with values near or below 2.0 used as the therapeutic zone.
  • Press-pulse therapy uses chronic metabolic pressure plus timed pulses against glucose and glutamine dependence.

Preclinical evidence

  • In an aggressive mouse brain-tumor model, 40% calorie restriction on the same high-carbohydrate diet reduced tumor size by 65% to 80%.
  • Higher blood glucose tracked with larger and faster tumors, while lower glucose tracked with slower tumor growth, lower inflammation, fewer abnormal vessels, and more tumor killing.
  • Calorie-restricted ketogenic diet plus pulsed DON produced far better survival in late-stage experimental glioblastoma than either diet or DON alone.
  • A juvenile high-grade glioma model used restricted ketogenic diet, mebendazole, and glucose-glutamine targeting, with longer survival and better quality of life.

Human and animal cases

  • Glioblastoma outcomes have barely improved, and standard surgery, radiation, chemotherapy, and steroids can increase glucose, glutamine, inflammation, and metabolic stress.
  • The Alexandria glioblastoma case combined fasting, restricted ketogenic diet, awake craniotomy, modified standard care, and hyperbaric oxygen, with 24-month follow-up publication.
  • Brittany Maynard is used as a standard-care contrast case: young glioblastoma patient, steroid effects, and medically assisted death in 2014.
  • Pablo Kelly used ketogenic metabolic therapy without chemotherapy or radiation, tracked glucose and ketones for years, and lived 122 months after diagnosis.
  • The Greece glioblastoma study pairs standard care with ketogenic metabolic therapy; four of six adherent patients lived at least three years versus one of twelve in the standard-care group.
  • Triple-negative breast cancer, lung cancer, prostate cancer, and canine mast-cell tumor examples are used as broader applications of the same metabolic strategy.

Closing thesis

  • Cancer management should avoid fatalistic terminal language when metabolic options remain.
  • Mitochondria, not the nucleus, belong at the center of cancer origin and management.
  • Substrate-level phosphorylation through glucose and glutamine fermentation drives dysregulated growth.
  • The future cancer program is press-pulse metabolic therapy: lower glucose and glutamine, elevate ketones, and use coordinated metabolic tools.

References

 

We are taught that meat is an unhealthy, artery-clogging, fattening, cholesterol-raising, heart-attack inducing, constipating, tumor-producing food that should be avoided like the plague, and that a plant-based diet is the holy grail of health.

To the best of my knowledge, the world has yet to produce a civilization which has eaten a vegan diet from childhood through death, whereas there are numerous examples throughout recorded history of people from a variety of cultural, ethnic and geographical backgrounds who have lived on mainly-meat diets for decades, lifetimes, generations. What exactly did these carnivorous cultures eat, and how healthy or unhealthy were they?

 

T-bones for breakfast, ground round for lunch, rib eyes for dinner. Does this sound like your dream menu — or your worst nightmare? Is a diet consisting of only animal products a simple, healing way to eat or an overly restrictive regimen that borders on an eating disorder?

A carnivore diet contains animal products only. It is plant-free. In its most extreme form, it includes only meat and water.

Read on to learn more about the zero-carb, carnivore way of eating. And find out the results — positive and negative — I experienced when I tried the diet for 30 days.

 

Dr. Ede is a Harvard-trained psychiatrist and a pioneer in nutritional and metabolic psychiatry. With over two decades of clinical experience, she explores how dietary strategies—especially low-carb and ketogenic therapies—can profoundly impact mental health.

In this powerful session, Dr. Ede unpacks the science behind metabolic psychiatry and why it offers real hope for patients and practitioners alike.

summerizerMetabolic psychiatry and brain energy

  • Metabolic psychiatry adds glucose, insulin, inflammation, oxidative stress, and mitochondrial energy to the older neurotransmitter-centered model of psychiatric illness.
  • High glucose and high insulin can drive brain inflammation, oxidative stress, advanced glycation end products, and neurotransmitter disruption.
  • Excess inflammation and oxidative stress can push glutamate far above baseline and damage proteins, lipids, DNA, mitochondria, the blood-brain barrier, and the hippocampus.
  • Brain glucose entry is insulin independent, but brain glucose use depends on adequate brain insulin.
  • Chronic high insulin can make the blood-brain barrier insulin resistant, so the brain can receive too little insulin while glucose remains high.
  • Cerebral glucose hypometabolism is the energy deficit that links metabolic dysfunction to late-onset Alzheimer’s disease and serious psychiatric illness.
  • Ketones cross into the brain even when insulin resistance is severe and burn well in a low-insulin environment.
  • Ketogenic therapy can bridge the brain energy gap when more glucose or more insulin would worsen the metabolic problem.

Clinical evidence and active trials

  • Alzheimer’s disease has long-standing metabolic evidence, including the type 3 diabetes model from Brown University and earlier insulin-signaling work.
  • Cynthia Calkin’s bipolar depression trial used metformin to reverse insulin resistance, and mood improvement occurred in the patients whose insulin resistance reversed.
  • Ketogenic diet research in psychiatry is expanding across bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, depression, alcohol withdrawal, autism, Alzheimer’s disease, ADHD, and anorexia.
  • The alcohol-withdrawal randomized trial found that people on a ketogenic diet required about half as much benzodiazepine and had fewer alcohol cravings.
  • Albert Danan’s inpatient ketogenic diet analysis involved 31 severe, therapy-resistant patients with depression, bipolar disorder, and schizophrenia.
  • In Danan’s adherent inpatient group, all 28 patients improved psychiatrically and metabolically, 43% reached clinical remission, and 64% left on less psychiatric medication.
  • Ian Campbell’s bipolar pilot enrolled euthymic outpatients for an 8-week ketogenic diet and found strong adherence, average ketones around 1.3 mmol/L, and symptom links with ketone levels.
  • Campbell’s spectroscopy data showed a large reduction in brain glutamate-related signal, with several participants refusing to stop the diet after the protocol ended.
  • Shebani Sethi’s Stanford pilot placed outpatients with bipolar disorder or schizophrenia on a ketogenic diet for 4 months and found clinically meaningful psychiatric improvement in most participants.
  • Randomized trials are still needed for serious mood and psychotic disorders, and new studies are underway or planned at Oxford, UC San Diego, Stanford, and other sites.

Clinical use and ketone targets

  • Psychiatric ketogenic therapy needs clinician oversight when patients have serious symptoms, take psychiatric medications, or have anorexia risk.
  • Medication interactions matter because antipsychotics and some anticonvulsants can make ketone production harder.
  • For low ketones, insulin is the control knob: lower total carbohydrates, sometimes below 20 g; count total carbs; regulate protein; avoid snacking; and add resistance exercise.
  • Whey, casein, dairy excess, sweeteners, frequent eating, and excess protein can keep insulin high even when glucose does not rise.
  • A practical starting target is blood ketones between 1.0 and 3.0 mmol/L most of the time.
  • Some patients improve with simple low carbohydrate intake and low glucose, while others need sustained ketones in a tighter or higher range.
  • A fair trial requires consistent therapeutic ketosis for weeks, not occasional late-day ketone readings.

Q&A applications

  • GLP-1 agonists can reduce appetite, glucose, and insulin and may help some patients bridge into ketogenic therapy, but responses can be positive, neutral, or counterproductive.
  • Continuous ketone monitors may be most useful for patterns, timing, overnight changes, food responses, and hidden gaps in daily ketosis.
  • Gut symptoms matter in psychiatric ketogenic care, and persistent constipation should lead to food-choice review after the adaptation period.
  • High-fiber foods, cruciferous vegetables, nuts, seeds, chia, cheese, and dairy can be hard to digest for some patients.
  • The quiet diet approach uses paleo, keto, or carnivore versions designed to be gentler on the gut.
  • Fiber requirements for the microbiome are cast as untested, and many people with serious gastrointestinal symptoms improve when fiber is reduced.
  • Mediterranean-style diet changes can help depression when they replace a junk-food diet, but the metabolic piece may require lower carbohydrate intake.
  • Type 1 diabetes makes ketosis harder because injected insulin suppresses ketone production, so exercise and careful monitoring become more important.
  • Women may have more difficulty entering ketosis during perimenopause and menopause because falling estrogen can worsen insulin resistance.
  • Estrogen replacement may help some women improve metabolic flexibility, while progesterone may push metabolism in the opposite direction.
  • Early Alzheimer’s patients who remain hyperglycemic and out of ketosis on low carbohydrate intake may need lower protein and higher fat intake.

References

 

Science thrives on questioning

Science is not a fixed set of truths; it is a process of continuous inquiry. Every landmark shift in medicine, from handwashing to randomized controlled clinical trials, began with someone daring to challenge accepted wisdom.

 

Lots of people we know are depressed, you might be depressed. Keto is a power tool in metabolic psychiatry and should be the first leaver people try to address persistent depression.

A 5m video introducing the idea: https://youtu.be/Stx1SkEHhmU

A 90m lecture on metabolic psychiatry mechanisms from Dr Ede - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkB6VheKmCg

And a book on metabolic psychiatry Change your Diet Change your Mind - https://www.amazon.com/Change-Your-Diet-Mind-Powerful/dp/1538739070

Metabolic Mind has a page dedicated to the research: metabolicmind.org/resources/topics/keto-for-depression/

 

The entire time to prep, cook and clean is ~15m per day, if your feeling really lazy you can cook multiple days worth of food at once and it's still 15m once and you have food for multiple days.

Cleaning is a single pan (or whatever you used). Most adapted carnivores only eat once per day (just by feeling, not forcing themselves).

If you are lazy, you can't do better then carnivore. Even ordering food takes more time.

Plus... meat in the freezer lasts forever... if you don't want to cook, no rush.

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