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The mobile khanates are documented eating horse meat and dairy products along their vast nomadic tracts

Renowned for their ability to ride for days and immediately go into battle, this maps to what we understand about modern carnivore - eating only when necessary, skipping meals, very high levels of energy speak to a fat based metabolism

Obviously the Mongols were not exclusive carnivores - they were opportunistic

https://www.historyonthenet.com/what-did-the-mongols-eat

Farming was not possible for the most part, so the most prominent foods in the Mongol diet were meat and milk products such as cheese and yogurt. The Mongols were a nomadic, pastoral culture and they prized their animals: horses, sheep, camels, cattle and goats. As their herds ate up the grass, the Mongols would pack up their gers, tent-like dwellings they lived in, and move their herds to fresher pastures.

Thus, their food groups were predominantly milk products and a variety of meats. While the Mongols appreciated milk products, they didn’t drink fresh milk; instead they fermented milk from mares, making an alcoholic drink known as airag or kumiss. After women finished milking the cattle, goats and sheep, they would process the milk into milk curds, yogurts and airag. The usual beverages were salted tea and airag, fermented mare’s milk.

There are curious theories that the Mongolian decline coincided with a change in their diet https://afe.easia.columbia.edu/mongols/pastoral/masson_smith.pdf

What other famous carnivore civilizations are there?

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[–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 1 month ago

Listening to Dan Carlin's hardcore history, the Mongols were extremely renowned. Whether that was based on their diet, or just myth, it's hard to say at this point. But there's something there

[–] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I think the only other famed civilisation that ate only meat was the American plains Indians who ate bison and were only defeated by the destruction of the buffalo (bison) herds.

Those people were described as more magnificent that European nobles in their finery. Now they're less healthy than European Americans, as they eat modern foods.

Indigenous Australians too ate little other than meat and insects. Australia has so few native plants that are edible, and most of those are in the tropics, but the British invasion of Australia was only 200 years ago, they had rifles and the Indigenous Australians were in the stone age. Paintings and drawings of Aboriginal men from the early days of British rule show they were tall men of impressive physique.

The Mongols were lucky that the people they were fighting didn't have guns yet, back when being stronger and taller mattered.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

The Mongols were lucky that the people they were fighting didn't have guns yet, back when being stronger and taller mattered.

It's possible the mongols had a key role in the history of gunpowder https://warhistory.org/@msw/article/the-mongol-wars-and-the-evolution-of-the-gun-1211-1279

The theory that they spread the knowledge and concept across their empire is interesting

[–] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 3 weeks ago

That's really interesting. I'll read that

[–] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

So wow, they probably did have guns pointed at them in their Chinese wars

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah... maybe explosive arrows to start with. But I think its credible they exported the war technology for their other conquests. The mongols are so fascinating. I love the Dan Carlin Hardcore History episodes on them.

[–] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The explosives described in that paper were pretty legit

And yeah, I'm disappointed Dan Carlin hasn't released much lately. Wrath of the Khans was an excellent series

I have followed him for quite a while and have an archive of his episodes from 1 to 56 (and this recommended me to grab 57 to 72 before they go subscription only)

It's one of the few podcasts I re-listen to

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah he seems to take longer and longer for episode, kind of like GRRM

[–] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Do you want a copy of my archive? It's all of HH and addendums

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Thanks for the offer! I think I have the full archive already. Great to listen to while on the road

Episode isn't over but I've arrived? Just keep driving some more

[–] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 3 weeks ago

Some of those are so long I'd end up in a different city! Australian cities are very very spread out