The problem with allowing spaces for fascists to exist online is when they start existing in offline groups too. If discussion was the biggest risk then there would be no harm in letting them participate.

I don't know if I would want to use Bee in future honestly. I've been getting "holier than thou" vibes from a lot of bee users and the only time I have felt even slightly uncomfortable is when users are coming here attacking lemmy.world. I have felt very welcomed and invited and respected in this community - until the day that beehaw decided we are undesirables and not welcome and decided they wanted to classify my new cyber home as a pit full of degenerates.

This whole experience is leaving a sour taste in mouth after what was a very positive first day. I made a community started posting content in it and everything. Now, I honestly don't know if I want to continue.

All you people gaslighting us and acting like we aren't allowed to be upset or annoyed about this action is only making me like Beehaw less.

You know, I keep hearing this, but it's beehaw people coming here and starting arguments. If it's not a problem, then why are people getting annoyed? Beehaw is allowed to defederate if they really think so, but we don't have to pretend like it's a smart decision. And, at the end of the day, it only hurts them more than anyone else.

Ahh gotcha I follow you now. thanks again.

Sure, there's no issue with that. I think most people agree that Beehaw can run their instance as they see fit and even understand their intention of trying to keep out trolls. We're just also saying that it's not the most efficient way to deal with the problem, and mainly it punishes Beehaw users as far as I can see.

On the bright side, at least I have drama content to read. Maybe this thing can replace reddit... lol

I think of instances like nations or countries. Every country has its own citizens, so you are citizen of lemmy world, like me. Every country also has its own communities (subreddits). the difference is you can also go see another countries communities. And like countries in real life, countries here can all have their own culture or flavour. At the moment it seems to be still early days so instance/national identity is still developing. But it has a lot of potential.

the standard of good-faith interactions on Beehaw will make a certain demographic stay

That demographic being people who think they're better than others? There are nice people on lemmy.world too, you know. I've already seen you call people refugees in a kind of condescending manner. Practise what you preach mate... good luck with Beehaw.

Long term growth is necessary to keep any online community alive. Not necessarily accelerating growth. But if a community has less members coming in than the ones who leave over time it will eventually die, no matter what platform it's on.

From what (admittedly little) I know about the fediverse I can't see this being a good decision for Bee's long term growth. I respect their stance but I simply think there isn't enough content for small groups to sustain yet. Reddit thrives on a newsfeed style experience, if there's nothing to scroll people won't stay. The only reason I'm here is because I can scroll everything in all, which is how I found this post, for example.

Browsing for new content and communities is so much better here. Like, incredibly so. I don't know if it's just the lack of repost and karma bots or what but the quality of content is so much higher.

My first day here too! I'm still not quite sure how this works. hello from lemmy.world! Lol