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@ghost_of_faso2

the USSR is dead

And not because of socialist planning, rather due to revisionism and professionalization of the party. China wasn't really helping either since it considered the USSR a greather threat to itself and socialism than the USA

this discussion is about China.

It's about their socioeconomic policy, and their switch away from socialist planning to market economy under the pretext that the latter is a necessary step of development. The USSR debunks this.

China is not revisionist

China has a market economy with wage labour and private ownership of the means of production which contributes to 70% of it's GDP. They also allowed bourgeois into the party since 2002, not to mention their monopolies export capital abroad. Pretty revisionist, surely more than whatever Khrushchev did.

https://sci-hub.hkvisa.net/10.1016/j.chieco.2020.101431

@ghost_of_faso2 @moffintosh@lemmygrad.ml Did you or he convinietly forget about the USSR? You know, the second economic world power at the time which was able to industrialize and develop via central economic planning instead of devolving in a redwashed capitalist social-democracy?

And before you spell N.E.P., the current chinese revisionism and the NEP aren't even remotely comparable. For starters, the NEP lasted only 5 years, was limited to agriculture and had the precise aim of pacifiying the pesant class after a revolutionary war. China too had it's initial NEP period (the New Democracy), which was later supplanted by central economic planning, which built the industrial foundations of the country, and which would even result in a faster, more equal, economic growth for china had they kept them.

In short, socialist development isn't capitalism but with the red state doing things, and you don't need capitalism to develop a nation

@yogthos @Mitsu Still have that soap?

@yogthos But does it run DOOM?