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Op is obviously trying to create drama which is being shared on Reddit to discourage people from joining Lemmy ( not lemmy.ml the instance). Any new user who would spend a bit of time would figure out that there are many instances to all tastes, if not they could create their own instance.

Honestly, it was my hope to avoid greater drama in the future. I am concerned that there will be a much larger problem down the line if people join lemmy.ml in large numbers due to events on reddit, and only come to understand afterwards what rules they have agreed to by registering their account there. If the rules are not communicated clearly ahead of time, then I think this is likely to make a lot of people very upset, and this could seriously damage the reputation and adoption of lemmy as a whole.

This is why I have attempted to clarify by commenting where others shared a link to my post in /r/lemmy, that this is only about lemmy.ml specifically as opposed to the entire network and, at least where I stand, only about a need to communicate its rules more clearly.

Locking this thread as the discussion isnt going anywhere productive. If you dont like the moderation in !worldnews@lemmy.ml, you can subscribe to a different one or create your own.

I have not complained about the moderation in !worldnews@lemmy.ml. I am not asking that there be any change in moderation. I feel that I was very careful in making this clear, in the post.

What I have asked is that the moderation policy be stated more clearly and openly. I believe that it is in everyone's interest that people coming to lemmy.ml understand the rules that they are expected to follow.

Rule 1 says no racism or xenophobia. May the new Reddit users learn to recognize their own chauvinist positions are both and bannable, whereas on Reddit they are structurally promoted at the highest levels.

Okay. My position is that they should be informed of this up-front, and that it should not come as a surprise after they have already unwittingly broken the instance's rules.

The ones you have really got to watch out for are RTFM and PEBCAK. That's when you know you have a problem.

God forbid you ever catch your child texting about RAII.

One of these days I would very much like to learn how to distill vodka.

Last year I took another step on the fermented foods path and learned how to brew kombucha. I'm progressing slowly, but I'll get to vodka eventually.

I see no issues in banning liberal trolls, just because they want to parrot nonsense takes on the internet, and are now seeking to find a new Reddit to vomit onto. Lemmy is not going to be your Reddit 2.0, if you desire to replicate this behaviour. Learn some manners and stop the western vitrolic reactionary groupthink behaviour.

If you read the post carefully, you may notice how I tried to make it clear that I am not arguing against the policy. I am arguing that the policy should be clearly and openly stated, so that it does not come as a surprise to anyone.

There’s no point in acting surprised about it. All the planning charts and demolition orders have been on display at your local planning department in Alpha Centauri for 50 of your Earth years, so you’ve had plenty of time to lodge any formal complaint and it’s far too late to start making a fuss about it now. … What do you mean you’ve never been to Alpha Centauri? Oh, for heaven’s sake, mankind, it’s only four light years away, you know. I’m sorry, but if you can’t be bothered to take an interest in local affairs, that’s your own lookout. Energize the demolition beams.

What about “Remarks that moderators find inappropriate” is not clear? :p

Do you honestly have to ask? Most people will not interpret this as including orientalism.

What is the purpose of having rules if you do not communicate to people the rules that they are expected to follow?

If you try to clearly state all rules, you will just end up with a huge wall of text that no-one reads other than some trolls that try to intentionally walk up right to the border of that is “legal” and test your patience as a moderator.

There was a clearly stated reason for these removals, but it is a reason that does not appear either in lemmy.ml's rules list nor on the page that you listed.

There were additional moderator actions citing the same "orientalism" reason that occurred while I was writing the post:

Screenshot of lemmy.ml modlog

It is my opinion that this is a significant rule to leave unstated.

I don’t see any downside at all if it’s layered on top of some other (very capable) keyboard-driven UI that can do all the same things.

The downside is that no existing tech company has enough self-control to actually keep these kinds of recordings private.

Rust is a really cool language, but all this drama has been very off-putting. I sincerely hope the team gets their shit together and learns from this.

Agreed. Rust the language seems like a good tool, but I am very discouraged from getting invested in it when at least half of anything I end up hearing about Rust is some kind of new drama or in-fighting among the people who oversee the language and its community.

Shit happens, I know, but with Rust it feels like the frequency and magnitude is way out of proportion to other dev-centered communities. I am not involved, and I do not want to be, but from the outside it often appears like many of the people who are in positions of leadership are more concerned with posturing and politics and exercising whatever power is afforded to them than they are with the actual programming language and the well-being of its community.

So there was a mix-up with a speaker. So then the organization responsible should make it right, and announce that there was miscommunication and that it will be handled differently in the future. If it happened because someone was acting unprofessionally, then handle that internally and separately. It is ridiculous that one mishandled invitation is spiraling into a public mess of personal attacks and 4,000-word blog posts.

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