[-] primbin@lemmy.one 9 points 1 year ago

Personally, I find a lot of Peter Singer's arguments to be pretty questionable. As for some of the ones you've mentioned:

For one, killing humans, no matter how humanely the means, is seen by most to be an act of cruelty. I do not want to be killed in my sleep, so why is it okay to assume that animals would be okay with it? While he is a utilitarian and doesn't believe in rights, killing a sentient being seems to me to have much greater negative utility than the positive utility of the enjoyment of eating a chicken.

Also, farming animals for slaughter will always be destructive towards habitats and native species. Even if broiler chickens were kept alive for their natural lifespan of 3-7 years instead of 8 weeks to alleviate any kind of ethical issue with farming them, there is still an opportunity and environmental cost to farming chickens. We could use that land for to cultivate native species and wildlife, or for growing more nutritious and varied crops for people to eat, yet instead we continue to raze the amazon rainforest to make more land for raising farm animals and growing feed. De-densification of farms would only make the demand for farmland even greater than it already is.

Finally, the de-densification of farms would mean a significant increase in the costs of mear production. We'd be pricing lower income groups out of eating meat, while allowing middle- and upper-class folks to carry on consuming animal products as usual. We should not place the burdens of societal progress on the lower class.

[-] primbin@lemmy.one 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Animals eat food, too. If you eat meat, you're actually creating more demand for crops than you would if you ate the crops directly. Furthermore, migrant workers also work on animal farms, in slaughterhouses, etc. I hear it's not always great.

I guess what I'm saying is, I'm fairly sure that going vegan helps both animals and the children of migrant workers.

One caveat is that I'm assuming you'd eat the same classes of crops that an animal would, namely things like corn and grains. But honestly that sounds about right for most people, vegans included. Many vegans eat a lot of processed shit too lol. (me included)

Edit: I should add that the most commonly suggested vegan diet that I've heard from other vegans is to have rice and lentils as your staple foods. I'm fairly sure those aren't typically harvested by hand, but I could be wrong.

[-] primbin@lemmy.one 5 points 1 year ago

The comments responding to you are pretty unnecessarily hostile, but I personally get where you're coming from. I personally think it's best to watch the thing so that you can be best informed, even if it's hard to do. Not even because of veganism being ethical, but because the fear of the unknown is a lot scarier than any documentary could be, IMO. Information is power, and having information (even distressing information) is empowerment.

Also, I loved meat too, but when I went vegan, I never really missed it. I was pretty worried about missing certain foods (one was sushi), but that never really happened to me.

[-] primbin@lemmy.one 5 points 1 year ago

Describing vegans as making major dietary changes because they "saw one video" is a pretty dishonest interpretation. Rigorously sticking to a vegan diet can be fairly difficult, and requires you to be very aware of exactly what you're eating -- including innocuous seeming things like food dyes and white sugar, which can often be made of animal products. To me, that doesn't read as impulsive, but instead disciplined.

Furthermore, while the decision to switch to going vegan could theoretically sometimes be done on impulse, one still has to make the decision every single day. It's not just a decision you make and it's done, it's one you must always choose to continue to make. A vegan has to decide to continue to be vegan every day, likely while under scrutiny of themself and others.

[-] primbin@lemmy.one 5 points 1 year ago

I don't like SBF at all, but I also think veganism should be a respected ethical position. Just like how I don't like Caitlyn Jenner, but I'll still use her preferred pronouns.

[-] primbin@lemmy.one 6 points 1 year ago

I'd personally consider it pretty cruel and inhumans to force someone to violate their own ethics on a daily basis.

[-] primbin@lemmy.one 9 points 1 year ago

Out of curiosity, I went ahead and read the full text of the bill. After reading it, I'm pretty sure this is the controversial part:

SEC. 3. DUTY OF CARE. (a) Prevention Of Harm To Minors.—A covered platform shall act in the best interests of a user that the platform knows or reasonably should know is a minor by taking reasonable measures in its design and operation of products and services to prevent and mitigate the following:

(1) Consistent with evidence-informed medical information, the following mental health disorders: anxiety, depression, eating disorders, substance use disorders, and suicidal behaviors.

The sorts of actions that a platform would be expected to take aren't specified anywhere, as far as I can tell, nor is the scope of what the platform would be expected to moderate. Does "operation of products and services" include the recommender systems? If so, I could see someone using this language to argue that showing LGBTQ content to children promotes mental health disorders, and so it shouldn't be recommended to them. They'd still be able to see it if they searched for it, but I don't think that makes it any better.

Also, in section 9, they talked about forming a committee to investigate the practicality of building age verification into hardware and/or the operating system of consumer devices. That seems like an invasion of privacy.

Reading through the rest of it, though, a lot of it did seem reasonable. For example, it would make it so that sites would have to put children on safe default options. That includes things like having their personal information be private, turning off addictive features designed to maximize engagement, and allowing kids to opt out of personalized recommendations. Those would be good changes, in my opinion.

If it wasn't for those couple of sections, the bill would probably be fine, so maybe that's why it's got bipartisan support. But right now, the bad seems like it outweighs the good, so we should probably start calling our lawmakers if the bill continues to gain traction.

apologies for the wall of text, just wanted to get to the bottom of it for myself. you can read the full text here: https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-bill/1409/text

[-] primbin@lemmy.one 4 points 1 year ago

Idk, after having been in the crypto space in the past, I'm still pretty tempted to call it almost universally a scam.

Regardless of the environmental impacts (which has been solved by some blockchains, like you said), I just think it exposes users to a completely unacceptable amount of risk for very little gain.

You're required to be in complete charge of your own data security, and if your private key is stolen, you lose your life savings with no recourse. If you make a minor slip up and give permission to the wrong website, you'll lose everything in your hot wallet. If there's an error in a smart contract you use (which has happened many times), then all the money you've given to it could be taken from under your nose. You can't even, like, refund transactions -- there's no consumer protections at all.

But like, to what end? What's the actual benefit of using crypto? Sure, you can make anonymous transactions with XMR, that's a tangible use case. But what's the actual benefit to using something like Ethereum?

[-] primbin@lemmy.one 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

One thing to note, though, is that honey bees are likely a factor in declining native insect populations. Their ability to outcompete native species results in a direct decline in the populations and effectiveness of native pollinators in areas nearby where beekeeping is practiced.

I don't know much about hfcs production, though, so I'll have to look into that.

Sources: https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.2016.1641

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-41271-5

[-] primbin@lemmy.one 6 points 1 year ago

The alt-right is not right about this. The upper class does not want to make you eat bugs, nor does the left.

[-] primbin@lemmy.one 8 points 1 year ago

I still use a dualshock 3, but I can settle for a dualshock 4. They're comfortable to hold, and the bumpers are easy to press, unlike clicky ass xbox bumpers.

[-] primbin@lemmy.one 5 points 1 year ago

I don't know, it's been difficult to access a lot of information without reddit, especially when reddit makes up half my google results. I hope people start using the fediverse to share information, but we'll have to see if it catches on.

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