It's really scary that I opened kbin to this and it's EXACTLY 5:37 lmao.
Hmm, I think I understand your goals here, but I don't fully understand their implementation. I'm gonna reply in sections because you deserve nuanced response!
Hiding Voting Metrics:
Okay, so I participated in a similar discussion about removing downvotes recently.
Right off the bat, one of the key concerns here is that the technology we're using makes all voting public as a baseline. You can opt to close your own eyes (hide them for yourself or for your instance), but other people or instances will still see the votes because ActivityPub transfers information as "users acting upon other content."
So unfortunately this may be a hard feature to shift without fediverse-wide agreement (or fediverse splintering).
Anyways, I have some concerns about the actual goal here, because we can't actually prevent all fear of judgement or backlash. Anytime you say anything, someone can disagree with you by text comment, which can be very strong disagreement while staying within normal moderation limits.
But! I can see that mitigating the effects of voting may reduce the punishments for participating outside narrow echo-chambers, and that seems important. Even if I don't think this is the correct solution, it is a worthwhile discussion!
I propose making downvotes have no effect on reputation. It's okay to know people disagree with you. We just reduce the extent a downvote harms users. I'm even willing to make upvotes have no effect on reputation either, to address some of your later concerns.
This would let people casually agree/disagree with comments as we all seem to like doing. Rather than committing to a full comment when I don't have a meaningful contribution, a little upvote feels like the correct way to say "Nice!" vs no response and letting the author think they aren't being seen. But benign voting would be for just that specific content with no further ramifications lol.
I do find vote counts have benefits for me, letting me feel the pulse of community response, and I'm idealistic about finding a healthy medium!
@Melpomene I'm concerned about the B-Corp getting big, but staying profit driven. Imagine if Steam had an instance. That seems... fine, I guess, for now. But then let's say Steam suddenly acquires the entire video game industry lol. That's definitely a problem. But what if they do it over.. 12 years? At what point are we supposed to realize we're frogs getting boiled?
And non-profits, yeah, you're probably right that they should be fine.
But okay, do you know MEC? They were initially Mountain Equipment Co-op, technically a non-profit. Now they're Mountain Equipment Company, a retail store, but most customers barely registered the difference. This type of thing concerns me lol.
I think B Corps and non-profits can be allowed to make magazines here, that's fine. They just need to follow our rules. They won't like it, but no risk of Fediverse collapse ever, and honestly it's probably best if we get to hold them accountable this way.
@Biscuit Right!?
This is a slight tangent now, but Tik Tok's Enshitification by Corey Doctorow describes another great example of long-timeline corporate "playbooks" or patterns that are... not good but increasingly common. That's where Reddit seems to be going unfortunately, but at least we can see why.
@Kaldo Thank you for the link, that's exactly what prompted this thread!
I think it's just too hard to draw the line of "not rich enough to be a concern." Amazon instance is obviously bad. Pepsi? If they put their minds to it they could do something lol. Hasbro?? They're greedy enough for sure.
Or what if a company starts as a relatively minor player, but suddenly get big. Steam acquires the entire video game industry or something lmao. Then we still have the same problem, they're going to be motivated differently.
So I say we defederate all profit driven instances. They can still make magazines on our instances, if they can follow our rules. If they have trouble following our rules... Well, then I definitely don't want them in a position to affect the whole Fediverse lol.
Nice! Worked for me. 697 subreddits, yikes.
@Mallard Tabs! That's not bad! It's gonna confuse new people for a bit, but they're already confused lol.
And I guess we just choose which ones are the main display and which get demoted to "+ 2 others" by using the sort option? Top Hot New?
Okay, actually thinking this through more, I think this plus Mallard's tabs may be the best way to start! Display the version of a link that best suits the sort option, stack the rest. Maybe let them be unstacked in the feed (like how reddit comments work lol), so you can still look at the other titles easily.
That's really promising! Okay, someone please poke holes in this plan lol.
Label your boxes with the room they should go in! Ideally all the boxes go straight to the correct room as soon as they arrive at the new place.
This makes things much easier for everyone involved in the labour. When I help my friends move, I don't know what "Nice Plates" vs "Mom's Plates" means, but this box says Kitchen, and that box says Dining Room and that's all I really care about lol.
And it really helps you get reestablished too, because everything is already pre-sorted for you. No need for you to find, sort, move everything all over again. All the kitchen stuff is already in the kitchen, all the bathroom stuff is already in the bathroom.
Good luck!
Oh wow, that's really good. I like these changes, and I hope something like that gets implemented fully. Keep going!
In particular, good idea with the vote buttons, looks much tidier that way. Would you consider a third button so it goes:
[up] [down] [boost] (icon) 57 comments more
Considering that boosts here are pretty similar to upvoting, it kind of bugs me that the voting the two functions are scattered around lol.
Is there somewhere you can fit in instance names? Maybe only if the user or magazine isn't on the local instance. I think that information is important enough to be visible, about the same priority as vote counts and boost to me.
If you do keep going, I encourage you to have a look at comments and threads, there's definitely some room for improvement there too!
(Also, @kbinStyles)
Actually, I think you can block the /d/omain, and I think? that's the same thing.
Hi, I'm figuring this out too. Veterans, please feel free to correct me!
- If you create a community on kbin, it does not prevent a community with the same name from being created on another site. We have a 'music' community here (kbin.social/m/music), but lemmy.world has a 'music' community too (lemmy.world/c/music).
(kbin calls them /m/agazines, lemmy calls 'em /c/ommunities, if you're wondering about the 'm' vs 'c' in the URLs lol.)
- Yes! Because Fediverse magic, you can actually interact with the lemmy.world 'music' community without leaving kbin.social. Try it out from kbin.social/m/music@lemmy.world.
You may notice this @[object]@[place] pattern a fair bit.
For example, our own 'music' community is @music@kbin.social. The lemmy.world 'music' community is @music@lemmy.world. Your account is @Spider-Man@kbin.social. See if you can spot users or threads that are from other sites! They're probably already in front of you!
As a second experiment, see if you can visit the music community from beehaw.org, without leaving kbin.social. They have one too, but you don't need a beehaw.org account to participate there!
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Okay, yeah that all seems correct to me lol. It sure does make us sound crazy though!
I'm pretty happy to have non-zero competency in all the systems lol. I'm a regular hobby crafter, and honestly some projects just work better in metric, some are better in imperial.