theunknownmuncher

Huh? I don't use OpenClaw.

Well you tried, but actually I'm still correct.

AI agents (also referred to as compound AI systems or agentic AI) are a class of intelligent agents distinguished by their ability to operate autonomously in complex environments. Agentic AI tools prioritize decision-making over content creation and do not require continuous oversight.

Yeah, if your argument is really "OpenClaw is not agentic AI", here you go: 🤡

And the funniest part is that yes, OpenClaw of course begins to act on its own when you spin it up, without any user prompting... you thought you had me there 😂

Perhaps you should have a basic understanding about what you are commenting on, before you comment? Especially if you're going to make personal attacks over it. Those really backfired on you now lol

Well, it does allows the LLM to continuously gather information, make plans and decisions, and perform real-world actions, on its own.

I think you should provide your definition of "agency", because your definition must be very different from everyone else.

Is proven wrong -> "I'm done talking to you" 😂 someone wasn't as happy to be wrong as they claimed

How would you recommend we approach this learning opportunity?

I'd recommend looking for some beginner and introductory resources into Artificial Intelligence, especially before you try to comment on a topic that you are not familiar with. It helps to at least understand the definition of the word you want to "reclaim".

I’m happy to be wrong,

That's convenient for you!

but I just don’t see how OpenClaw “gives agency” to an LLM, it sounds like it adds an LLM to an agentic AI. How does the agentic AI make decisions, and how is the LLM used in relationship to that process? I don’t know as much about how OpenClaw works, tbh.

OpenClaw is actually extremely simple and thin. It works by just prompting the LLM in a continuous loop while providing it tool calls that are standard to LLMs. There isn't anything more to it than that, besides customizing the prompt and tools that are available. The LLM is the agentic AI that makes the decisions and calls the tools. I guess next you'll continue to try to save face with another non-point like "the computer, not the LLM, is the one that does things when the tools are called"

we haven’t generated an artificial intelligence that has a mind like a person.

Okay, but that isn't what AI means. It seems you're the one with misconceptions about the definition of AI.

Regarding OpenClaw, I’m not entirely sure how it functions under the hood, but it’s not really a counter-example to my point about LLMs because it’s not an LLM (even if it integrates with and uses LLMs).

so, let me understand correctly, you believe an LLM can't have agency, and if we give an LLM agency, actually we haven't because now its no longer an LLM because it has agency? Or maybe you were just wrong... Hmmmmm

"AI" is a misnomer, ChatGPT and other "AI" are actually LLMs

It's weird to so often see people be pedantic about this terminology while also being completely wrong. LLMs are AI, which is not a "misnomer".

So "AI" doesn't need to be shackled because "AI" isn't an intelligence and has no agency or control over anything.

LLMs generate text, that's all they do - they can't control robots or "think" or "do" anything else.

Proof by counterexample: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenClaw

Does everyone have mangled hands in the future?

to see if any of your friends are using the #chatbot or any other #OpenAI product

???

Little late

Also, why is the white house lawn a jungle?

No you don't.

If you think youtube videos or twitter accounts had soul and weren't already ruined by corporate advertising, then you need to get real. Literally nothing has changed. There was nothing of value there for a very long time.

You're in your early 20s so enshittified corporate media is probably all you've ever experienced. Try to find some popular youtube videos from the 2000s to see the difference (remember that there were zero ads autoplaying or sponsors mentioned during the video). Here's an example: https://youtube.com/watch?v=2I294xoqGcE. Or read up on what the internet was like in the 90s and early 00s. People used to just do things because they liked it and thought it was fun, instead of to become an influencer with sponsors or go viral or pander to subscribers. Back when "the algorithm" was what people chose to tell each other about and search engines were designed to help you find exactly the content you were looking for, because you were searching for it while your friend described it to you.

Corporations are using AI to automate the jobs of influencers and content-creators, because influencers and content-creators work for corporations. They're extra costs that can be cut and replaced with machines.