Like bro do you even sockpuppet

You gotta set up some subterfuge or get the shills involved to give you support, if you're going to express opinions like this

Here's how I see it:

• Some person posts criticism of Kagi
• CEO of Kagi emails the person saying, I think some of what you said is factually inaccurate and I'd like a chance to talk to you about why
• Person angrily refuses to do that
• Mod of !techtakes publicly posts screenshots in his sub instead, calls the CEO an unhinged narcissist and his email a "harangue"
• People come in the thread and say, actually what the CEO said sounds "totally hinged" and the rude response seems un called for
• Mod starts banning people and deleting comments of people who are arguing with him, leaving up his own side of the conversation.

Been on the lemmygrad for four years. Was banned simply for my alternative opinion that a guy who was rejected by a girl should exclude her from his life if he retains feelings for her. Didn't break any rules, but the idiot in the moderators didn't stop it. I used to think lemmygrad was a cool place for leftists. But it turns out it's an echo chamber for online morons. I regret that I ever defended this place.

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/11959024

tl;dr The admins of Startrek.website are censoring users, have been harassing me across multiple websites, and have tried to convince the admins of other instances to ban me because I didn't remove comments that were critical of them on TenForward which I only made in turn because the mod of Risa was doing whatever he wanted despite it saying "No rules".

Hey. So when creating TenForward, this information was being kept out of the loop for a very good reason. We didn't want the community to be based off of drama or bad vibes or bad feelings in any way. When we made the post saying that we had created it for the explicit reason of wanting to have a place with more robust mods and with more rules, that was 100% true. However the reason as to why I came to this conclusion?

I started posting on Startrek.website back in August. Within a week or two I had gone to their Patreon and immediately subscribed, even sending a message of support and saying that if I was causing any issues to please let me know immediately. Over time I started posting more and more across different communities and instances, mostly taking inspiration from the one and only Picard Maneuver. Anyone who gives me praise should really just be giving it all to him.

Things kept going perfectly fine until a couple of months ago when I noticed some weird things in the modlog of /c/Risa. A friend of mine had made a post and it got removed within an hour. It was the same type of post that I would have made but got taken down and with no reason given. Looking at the modlog of the community, I noticed that a lot of posts were being removed for strange reasons. Either the explanation was simply "Does not inspire Jamaharon" or something super dismissive. This really left a bad taste in my mouth considering Risa's sidebar explicitly stated at the time (and does today) "there are no real rules". I contacted the admins (on my startrek.website account) and asked what the deal with the moderation and questioned the behavior of one moderator in particular as being extremely aggressive. They said that they didn't really get involved in moderation of Risa unless it was against the instance rules entirely, they just let the mods do their thing.

At this point there were two mods on the log. USS Burrito Truck and Carrot. GuyFleegman had previously left and I'd never seen Carrot active. USS BT on the other hand was the only one who was actively posting content and comments. I had a couple of run ins with BT. First was when I was making the Car Talk with Martok posts. I accidentally double posted and deleted one of them. The one left up was removed. When I asked if they could be reinstated, BT said that the double posting was suspicious. That's why for the longest time there were two posts saying "Image Only" and not linking to the full posts. BTs behavior as well was just questionable. All of his comments with people are incredibly aggressive, needlessly so, and abrasive in an unwarranted way.

The last time I encountered him was on one of my posts on Risa. I genuinely don't remember what the post was or what the situation was but a user was being quite aggressive and troll-y. Stuff like "This is why all left wing people" or something along those lines. Just silly shit. But they also said something that I personally found transphobic. I genuinely don't remember what it was and due to my deleting my Startrek.website account (I'll get to that), I can't check the post themselves.

I said that it was disgustingly transphobic and it had no place belonging in the Star Trek community as a whole, nevermind the community or instance. I then reported it. Sometime later, BT came in and said that it wasn't my place to say what did and didn't belong. Fair enough. That is totally true. But then he left the comment up and banned the person for 2 weeks for saying "This is my biggest problem with the left." Sidenote here but this user in question? They're a self admitted alt account of someone who was banned from lemmy.world, startrek.website, lemmy.ml and even hexbear for transphobic and bigoted behavior.

So I messaged the admins of StarTrek.website, SysAdmin and ValueSubtracted, again about the situation and asked what they thought. SysAdmin reiterated that they didn't want to get involved with community moderation and only stay at an admin level (slightly hypocritical as they're both moderators of /c/StarTrek, /c/Quarks and /c/StarTrekOnline, the biggest communities outside of /c/Risa). I thanked them for their time then and said I was leaving and heading over to lemmy.world. I was also going to set up my own community that was not meant to compete with but meant to be an alternate to. SysAdmin wished me luck (I'm not sure Value Subtracted ever messaged me again, although he could have) and I left. I created /c/StarTrekMemes on lemmy.world.

Some stuff personally happened and I got fairly depressed and took a break from lemmy entirely. StarTrekMemes had died on arrival due to me not bothering to put any effort in or really try, just leaving out of frustration. After about a month or so I go back to look at /c/Risa and see what the deal is and if things have gotten better. First place I check is BTs profile to see if he's cooled off at all. No. He's in the comments of someones post being very heavy handed and with a really harsh tone. So I check the post itself. It was one by NegativeNull that was openly questioning the removal of a Star Trek Shitpost and saying that it didn't compute. Various people were in the comments questioning it. Out of frustration I made a few comments elaborating that this was precisely the reason that I left Risa and set up /c/StarTrekMemes. I also elaborated on the transphobic comment thing and that I wasn't comfortable with it. I deleted it not long later because I didn't want to cause headaches for the admins of StarTrek.website. Oh did I get over that frame of mind very quickly.

Upon realizing that more and more people were growing frustrated with this, I reached out to a few people to see if they would be interested in making a new community together, ignoring the extremely bland/uninspired name of StarTrekMemes and building something fresh. We explicitly decided to not call out Risa by name or USS Burrito Truck. We wanted to build the community off of what it is and not base it off of a public disagreement. TenForward is now pretty heavily established which is why I have no issue making this post at this point. We made our point. We built TenForward for what it is. What it is is just a community with a robust community team and with a pinned and clear rule set so users can know what's going on and what to expect.

We announced the community and how fast we gained subscribers was a shock to us all. There are messages between us mods being genuinely surprised at how quickly people filtered in. On the announcement post we got a comment that surprised the hell out of me. It was from GuyFleegman. You may remember that name from earlier as being a moderator of Risa. What I didn't know was that he was the creator of original Risa on Reddit and the one who came over and created Risa on Startrek.website. He said that TenForward was his original choice of name for Risa which was a really great boost for us but he also said this:

“No real rules” worked just fine for years, in practice I enforced the same self-evident conduct boundaries that you have outlined here. If you have to tell someone to be civil and tolerant then that person was going to ignore the rules even if they had been communicated.

Which honestly makes sense. Totally see where he was coming from. But he also said this...

But since I stopped modding, the mod there seems to have moved beyond these boundaries without committing to any actual rules. This is totally unsurprising given the way that group of mods runs their communities, so I’m glad to see this place pop up.

Group of mods? USS Burrito Truck (mod of Risa), Value Subtracted (mod of /r/StarTrek) and Corgana (creator and mod of /r/StarTrek). Corgana being the public facing account of SysAdmin. ValueSubtracted was a heavily active mod and the top mod outside of Corgana. If you ever wondered why Reddit had so many different Star Trek communities, that was because of Value. If you ever wondered why /r/StarTrek had the reputation of banning anyone who spoke critically of Discovery, that was because of Value. Any criticism was taken as abuse towards the show itself and was immediately acted upon with bans. /r/StarTrekDiscovery was created with the specific intention of distancing themselves from Value and allowing people to discuss the show without fear of mod retribution.

So the announcement post carries on. People who start questioning the Risa stuff we start steering away. All of us were openly saying what I did before because it's the truth. We had a different mod philosophy and wanted to make a different community to reflect that and have more clear rules. When I said that Risa didn't have a blatant rule against Bigotry, Corgana responded saying the entire instance did. GuyFleegman said that he took some slight offense to the way I was wording things and suggesting that he or Risa allowed bigotry, which is not what I meant but my language didn't properly reflect that. I apologized and even said I'd take that more into account with how I was phrasing things. Guy said it wasn't a problem but I even explicitly said that I was not trying to cause problems with anyone.

Some people started going through the modlogs of Risa and through that, the previous post questioning moderation, or my deleted comments were able to piece it together. They started answering people questioning it. One such comment was one saying:

Fun hatin, power trippin mod got butthurt abt sumthin and can’t abide. IDK it’s pretty early.

This comment will be relevant in a moment.

One of the people who answered was Corgana, an admin of Startrek.website. He left a comment, got a response, and then tried to edit it after the fact to make it look like something else. Here is a screenshot of the conversation:

The refresh at the bottom was a comment Corgana made where he said that the mod at Risa was just doing what he thought was best for the community and making sure that it wasn't 'unfun'. It got downvoted into the negative. Someone responded saying "Then make a rule about it and don't just say that there are "no rules"" that was upvoted into the double digits. Corgana deleted his comment. I then sent a private message to Teft specifically saying thank you for laying it out correctly.

Remember that comment I mentioned earlier about a power trippin mod? Well that comment was actually reported. By whom? ValueSubtracted. I can't even tell what the entire report was as he appears to have written a small novel.

In response, I sent a message to Value with the screenshot of that comment. What follows is a series of back and forth messages. Lemmy lists the messages from top to bottom which is why I'm making these individual screenshots but I will leave a section to prove that it does carry on from that point.

At this point I sent a message to Corgana.

He never responded. Value continued to message.

(Unrelated message to another friend about TenForward rules has been blurred)

I was absolutely floored by this. I had talked to Value a bunch across Mastodon and Lemmy about Star Trek, especially Discovery. It's not exactly a secret that I'm a fan of the show so it was nice being able to chat with someone who shared similar perspectives on the show. There was also a user who had joined and was commenting on every single person who responded to my posts on Risa and was calling me a transphobe. Everyone asked for evidence and they couldn't provide any but I messaged Value about it and he stepped in and took care of it. Like I never saw this coming in any way, shape, or form.

So I reached out to people who may have worked with him in the past. This was the response one gave.

So, VT has one of the most insane “fight” instincts I have ever encountered, online or off. Catch him on a good day and he is a perfectly reasonable individual, pleasant to talk to with clever insights about Star Trek. Catch him on a bad day, and oh man you’re fucked. Shields up red alert, you are going to be dismissed at best and belittled and insulted at worst. If you intend to direct any criticism or doubt in his direction, you need to walk on the most delicate of eggshells for the conversation to be even remotely productive. He’s a uniquely bad choice to lead an online community, and /r/StarTrek’s “no criticizing Discovery” reputation is squarely on him: he loves Discovery and interprets all but the most saccharine and qualified criticism of that show to be an uncivil attack.

He’s not actually a bad person, and I can guarantee there was no bigoted intent in whatever dust-up you had with him: you said something that made him mad and then it was over, he decided to not do what you were asking because you were asking. At the end of the day he’s just very sensitive and a bad fit for community moderation because of his paranoid and combative nature. Elevating him to admin has made it that much worse.

I kept this in mind but didn't take things further. I wanted things to just chill out. I only ever started posting memes to post memes and make people laugh. I didn't want to be a moderator or get involved in stuff like this but I just felt enraged by the fact that someone was abusing that position. Power Corrupts, right? I'm always terrified that I'll step over that line and there have been times I've probably come real close. That's another reason why I wanted a team of us at TenForward. We generally run things by one another, when we rarely need to, and come to a consensus. Things run kinda great in that fashion honestly. We don't always agree either which is even better. You never want to have everyone come to the same conclusion immediately. You want people to have different perspectives. You want criticism of your opinions and actions to know how to improve them.

I don't know if it was hours later or the next day but Value made another report that was unfounded and overly dramatic.

I sent another message to Value. While I was sending the message, another message coming through at the same time from a random person on lemmy. They came to me completely unprompted but are directly questioning Values behavior explicitly. They're on bottom.

I responded to that person which is in the next screenshot. I've kept that in to demonstrate that I was going out of my way to not cause drama and not direct harassment towards anyone, even in private.

From here on is just the conversation with Value.

My response is on the next page so there's nothing below to back it up and no real reason to screenshot it. That being said....

Was that petty? Yeah. But I was so frustrated with having to deal with this. I respected this dude a lot and now he was being monumentally petty and abusing the report function?

That was the last report that he made. I thought it was over. Until I got a message from an admin asking what the hell was going on. I asked why. He showed me this

I showed him the above screenshots and he said okay and carried on. When I asked later what happened he said

He basically wanted to avoid inter-instance drama and asked what Lemmy World's stance was on this. I said we are hands-off and inter-instance drama is something I deal with daily. It's part of the gig. And if we try to mute people we get flack for it and they will just create new accounts. I also pointed out that you were supported by the original creator of the subreddit/community. Then I told him I don't have time for this as I'm at work.

I realized how absolutely unhinged with power Value Subtracted was and at that point I deleted my Startrek.website account and cancelled my Patreon subscription. I didn't want him having access to my information in any way shape or form because I just couldn't trust that he wouldn't take it too far.

Flash forward to a couple of days ago.

I noticed that I was subscribed to /c/StarTrek@startrek.website still due to a post saying Congratulations to us! In the comment was Corgana, the alternate account of an admin, saying "Thank you guys for all the work you do." It was at this point I realized he had done this several times in the past. There were other comments where he said people should add stuff to the website, that the admins were doing a great job, or thanking the admins. Honestly this is kinda gross behavior so I openly asked "Why are you using an alternate account to thank yourself?" The comment got downvoted. A day past. Everyone forgot about it. I forgot about it. Then I got a message from the automod.

The comment was removed for 'drama'. By who? Value Subtracted.

So I made the comment again. Removed this time for "being a diva" within less than a minute.

I made a third comment this time. I was fucking annoyed. The comment had been forgotten about by everyone and no one cared but Value couldn't let it go in any way, shape or form. So yeah. This is a bit bitchy and dramatic.

The comment was removed but this time it took much longer. As I found later, it was because Value had messaged an admin trying to get them to take action using multiple different reasonings. They interpreted those comments as harassment and the admin disagreed with the assessment.

In response to this information, I went to my personal Mastodon account where I sent out a toot:

Within an hour and a half, I got an email 'Warning' from Mastodon. The Admin of my Mastodon instance was asking what my relationship with Startrek.website was. I then elaborated on everything that has happened thus far and provided the same screenshots, although not edited/placed nearly as well. In the email I asked the Mastodon Admin about the report. I said I was concerned that it was a particular person. After providing all this information, the Mastodon Admin replied with this:

[..] your post regarding startrek.website was reported to me. I will not disclose who reported it as per our instance policy. I take all reports seriously so I reached out using the "warning" system Mastodon provides (it also sends an email and I wanted to make sure you received my question via email.). I asked for elaboration so I understood the situation regarding you and startrek.website better. After reviewing your response I don't think any further action is needed on my part.

Now I am 100% assuming this but who else is filing reports as a super complaint button and trying to get admins to take action on any criticism I say? Yeah. I am fairly sure it was Value Subtracted. After the reported was dismissed, I carried on until today when someone on Mastodon posted this

The ban is timed to be around the same time as my toot recommending people look into a different instance.

Value Subtracted has harassed multiple admins across multiple different federation instances trying to get them to take action on my posts or my account simply because I do not agree with him. He is petty and vindictive and is taking things to an extreme that I find beyond abhorrent. If he just wanted to get angry and whine to admins, fine. There is a reason I did nothing in response to any of his reports or when the admins reported back saying what he had done. Personally I thought they were the actions of a narcissist who was terrified of criticism and couldn't handle the concept of anyone ever seeing that criticism of him but I kept it to myself. I didn't post anything other than just suggesting people look elsewhere. Not even move. Not saying they had to. SUGGESTING.

Value Subtracted has been harassing me for a month across multiple websites and going through multiple admins. He is banning people he disagrees with personally and abusing the position he has as an admin. He is abusing that privlidge and authority by silencing a slew of people (check the modlog of /c/StarTrek where he's the active mod) and generally acting like such an abrasive person that people openly question his behavior. Whenever anyone pushes against it, the other admin hides behind an alternate account and supports him while pretending to be just a subscriber and a friend.

I have no goals in making this post. I have no goals in airing this. I am just fucking tired of being harassed by this person because any ounce of criticism thrown their way, whether it be to them or a friend, is tantamount to harassment and abuse.

TenForward was created explicitly because the moderator of that community was abusing their position and silencing whoever they wanted. Why in the hell, for even a moment, did I think that the admins would be anything different?

Like I said on Mastodon. I highly encourage and suggest anyone with a Startrek.website (Who won't see this because they've banned me) to leave their instance. Not because they banned me and because I want revenge. But because they've proven that they have wildly inconsistent administration and condone cross website abuse and harassment.

I need a fucking drink. Considering I'm an alcoholic, that's saying probably not that much.

cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/22957810

Ok, so, I crossposted the documentary “Four Horsemen 2012” to !documentaries@slrpnk.net and it got removed for not being “a solarpunk themed documentary” - all good, it was my mistake I didn’t check it’s a community for documentaries with a specific there/topic.

Then, I wake up to the message from the SAME PERSON (Five@slrpnk.net) removing the same documentary from !Documentaries@lemmy.world which I assume is a GENERAL PURPOSE instance for documentaries about all topics. Their reason was: “I’m going to remove this documentary out of solidarity for Ukraine” even tho the documentary had NOTHING to do with Ukraine and doesn’t even mention it ONCE! I’m super confused. The rules for this community don’t even say anything about certain documentaries being allowed or not. What is happening? Ideological censorship?

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/4931568

cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/7659598

A few days ago, Beehaw posted an announcement in their Chat community about the challenges of content moderation and the possibility of leaving Lemmy. That post was eventually locked.

Then, about two days ago, Beehaw posted an announcement in their support community that they aren't confident about the long-term use of Lemmy, due to so-called concerns about Lemmy.

RedditAlternatives discussion

If you currently use Beehaw and want to stay on the federated Lemmy network, consider migrating your account to another instance like lemm.ee.

Highlights:

Admins are also banning everyone for saying they're leaving

What surprises me is that people think making a community specifically for illegal activity isn’t a problem, and that they should only be called on their behaviour when a copyright holder notices them. There are plenty of places to go for piracy online, so what’s the need to add a community for it here? Or are you people claiming a piracy community wasn’t primarily intended for piracy?

https://lemmy.world/comment/2426956

Time to host my own instance. I disagree with this move.

https://lemmy.world/comment/2429393

The people whining are not the people that could face multimillion-dollar lawsuits over the issue. Like it or not, media companies are powerful and will go after websites seen as promoting piracy. Do what you reasonably have to do.

https://lemmy.world/comment/2426973

Oh no. Wtf. Do you know what’s funny? I actually joined this instance from piracy subreddit.

I guess it’s time to leave.

https://lemmy.world/comment/2425186

I don’t think this was the right call. Don’t have it hosted on here, fine. But defederated? I don’t see how being federated would be an issue at all. Oh well guess i got to actively go seek them out now.

At this rate, you might as well as defederate from all instances. Cant be too careful.

https://lemmy.world/comment/2427348

Bootlicker [-8]

https://lemmy.world/comment/2427940

These communities are not even hosted on lemmy.world, this is an absurdly overreacted response. There were no signs of any legal trouble and I can’t understand how lemmy.world specifically would be the target of such legal action. If you want to host an instance, you should do everything in your power to allow discussions on any topic, while in necessary cases disallowing direct posting/linking of illegal content. Instead, you chose to block a community that has long been known to avoid having any trouble with the moderators.

https://lemmy.world/comment/2421890

Doesn’t matter if they are hosted here or not. The way federation works is that threads on different instances are cached locally.

We have NO issues with the people at db0 - we are just looking out for ourselves in a ‘better safe than sorry’ fashion while we find out more. As mentioned in the OP we would like to unblock as soon as we know we can not get in any legal trouble. [chadmins]

https://lemmy.world/comment/2421890

What the absolute hell? What makes this place so good is that there’s not people making idiot decisions at the top. This is an idiot decision. Plus side of the fediverse is vanishing.

https://lemmy.world/comment/2424687

Uh, @lwadmin@lemmy.world … what’s up with the banning going on in this thread? I noticed on a.lemmy.org that someone was labeled “banned” and their comment was simply “Ight, I’m out”

The mod note was “Let us help you”.

There are more similarly weak (spiteful?) bans that certainly don’t seem to be at a standard for a ban. “Litterally 1984” was another one. Is that all it takes to be banned here?

Edit: Many (all?) the users I referenced as banned are now unbanned from the site, but now banned from this community. :marseyban:

https://lemmy.world/comment/2422473

Please make announcements on lemmy instead of exclusively on discord moving forward. That is the biggest issue here, the lack of public transparency. Such a decision affects all instances, not just lemmy.world and making it publicly known is important

This was a misunderstanding from one of the team members. It has since been discussed and will not happen again. Lemmy.World and this announcement community is our primary platform, [chadmin]

https://lemmy.world/comment/2421280

And once again we have people thinking that the instance owners would have to discuss everything they want to do with them and get the approval of everyone. It’s already great that they’re making announcements instead of doing it silently until people notice on their own. Plus, it’s not hard to make an account elsewhere if you don’t like it here. I doubt you’re restricted to this single instance.

https://lemmy.world/comment/2424187

Ight, I’m out

https://lemmy.world/comment/2421940

Surely there is a discussion to be had around what is and isn’t allowed, there are plenty of subreddits discussing piracy without dolirect links that are playing within the rules.

https://lemmy.world/comment/2420730

fucking hell, its time to leave lemmy.world, you are no better than reddit :marseysnoo:

Says the redditor

https://lemmy.world/comment/2422227

What is the legal theory being used here?

People chatting about piracy is now a crime in US? I thought the crime was uploading or downloading copyrighted content…

https://lemmy.world/comment/2421667

Lovely this happened because someone complained after being banned from the piracy instance for being a transphobic asshole. :marseytransplushie3:

https://lemmy.world/comment/2421151

Yea, I’m leaving. Not as a protest, I just want access to something without caring if devs like it or not.

All hail Piracy!

https://lemmy.world/comment/2421558

Well said! I think the entire LW community would prefer a heads up for major actions. It’s understandable that piracy could lead to liability issues which none of us want. Thanks for giving us a run down.

https://lemmy.world/comment/2420912

Is it a liability when the discussion happened outside of lemmy.world?

https://lemmy.world/comment/2421575

Deleting lemmy now I guess as well [-3]

https://lemmy.world/comment/2424715

Wtf? I’m leaving.

Is there a way to migrate a community? [-3]

https://lemmy.world/comment/2428100

I’m sure this comment will receive plenty of hate, but I’m really struggling to understand why piracy seems to get so staunchly defended by seemingly everyone here. Piracy is stealing. It is morally wrong. We can argue all day about how it’s a ‘victimless crime’ or how media conglomerates are greedy and deserve it, but at the end of the day there’s nothing that makes it ‘right’. With maybe a few exceptions, no one needs the things they’re pirating and it’s just childish to refuse to pay for content and go on pretending it’s a necessity. What needs to happen is more money going to the creators whose content we all enjoy so much.

There’s plenty of places to go where you can still interact with these communities, and we shouldn’t be surprised that a large and general instance wants to be distant from them. Personally I applaud the decision. [-6]

https://lemmy.world/comment/2426834

Literally 1984 [-14]

https://lemmy.world/comment/2421877

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/3191819

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/3305498

After a thread was made in !support@lemmy.world asking to defederate from lemmy.dbzer0.com for "the facilitation of piracy, and copyright infringement in general which is illegal", the admins of lemmy.world deleted it prompting discussions on !asklemmy[@]lemmy.ml and !piracy[@]lemmy.dbzer0.com.

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/3302765

I'll start the popcorn machine 🍿

Hexbear

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/2508035

Hexbear thread

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Why is it wrong to be critical of western propaganda?

https://lemmy.world/comment/1962328

okay this is freaking wild:

We need a sub dedicated to bot building, trolling and brigading effectively. Screw morals, or decency. They’re tools that maintain the status quo.

https://lemmy.world/comment/1959011

I definitely appreciate the hesitation in defederation, but I’m in favor of defeding with both hexbear and lemmygrad.

I’ve seen more than enough “Stalin did nothing wrong posts” to know that discussions are pointless and would lead me only to frustration and a desire to drink.

https://lemmy.world/comment/1958306

Freedom of speech does not constitute an obligation to listen.

Good for you!

Exactly. Freedom of speech != Freedom from social consequences :soyreddit:

Well, in a truly “free” society, yes freedom of speech would constitute freedom from “social consequences.” However, the United States, and in fact, no Earth government, is a truly free society. There are rules and laws that exist, thus restricting freedoms. However, specifically regarding freedom of speech as it is mentioned in US law, it specifically is a protection for citizens from retaliation by the US government, and does not cover interactions between citizens.

So I wouldn’t say “freedom of speech doesnt mean freedom from social consequences,” but rather “freedom of speech does not include a requirement that others listen.” There are laws with regards to how other citizens can respond, including laws against assault and libel and such. But there is no law that says anyone must to listen to what you have to say simply because you have the freedom to say it. Thats quite a preposterous idea.

At least in the US, each citizen has the right to say what they choose within the constraints established by law, and to choose who they will listen to. [-43]

https://lemmy.world/comment/1958407

As an instance owner myself some of this is concerning. I understand why lemmy.world would want to defederate from them. I won’t defederate on my instance at this point, but if personal attacks start to happen or rules get broken, then it will be considered.

https://lemmy.world/comment/1958492

I don’t agree with their sh*t and whatnot, but this move seems to me like “We will defederate you because your political beliefs are not the same as ours.” What a shame, Lemmyworld admins.

https://lemmy.world/comment/1958923

https://lemmy.world/post/2475933

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/2444685

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/2433349

One chain of drama starts here, with TwoGems whining about the tankies which live rent free in his head. A tankie takes the bait, however:

Stupid god damn libs complain about tankies every time for these threads

this is just a teaser for the main event, however. Downthread, CCP hater Gamey remarks on lemmy's political character:

It’s facinating to see Lemmy go wild, kind of sad how many seem to support dictators with concentration camps and similar shit but also cool how many downvote them!

In response, Israel hater Blursty responds with this based and dramapilled take:

The only state with concentration camps in the real world is the USA and its colony in Palestine.

The drama continues on, worth reading if you have the time. Here's some other snippets from this post:

ryannathans who notices the insularity of lemlibs:

Can’t exist on same server as people with different ideology reeeee

and immediately gets accused of being a conservative 🤣

as well as attracting the ire of the above-mentioned TwoGems, who engages in misplaced anti-Turkish bigotry:

They’re like an infestation. Quick get the roach spray!

Stupid anarchists (but I repeat myself) have a stupid discussion over some dumb shit, idk, I didn't read it.

They miss out on the dumbest take award. Which I am proud to present to khajimak, for this banger of a comment, for complaining about being other people being redditpilled, before going on to engage in the most classic of redditor behaviors, moral grandstanding:

The entire thing sucks lol. Sorry you dipshits are so Reddit pilled you still only have one joke. Instead of saying lol he’s just like hitler lol he doesn’t like it when us dank memers refer to him as a cartoon character, you should share the numerous human rights atrocities he’s commited and call for his public execution

And that's a wrap folks!

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/2222266

Please rename the community to US Politics if that is the only topic allowed.

rename the community RedTeamBad [-3]

https://lemmy.world/comment/1732326

They’re not really much debate going on in this community. 95% of all posts are just “lol republican dumb Nazis” and every comment that’s not agreeing is downvoted to hell. [-23]

https://lemmy.world/comment/1729210

Perfectly proves my point.

This community is just “if you’re not “vote blue no matter who” you’re a dumb nazi”. [-24]

https://lemmy.world/comment/1730089

Just read the rules next time and it won’t be an issue for you. [-5]

https://lemmy.world/comment/1732326

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/2118245

Users a pretty split on the decision and some in that thread are claiming the bhalaj is only doing it for the sake of drama.

announcement: lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/1204784

response: lemmynsfw.com/post/418317

[removed] comment: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/1336587

Edit: more drama

The account in action

https://lemmy.world/u/BULLIEMcGUIRE?page=2&sort=New&view=Overview

Other highlights:

https://lemmy.world/comment/1640131

https://lemmy.world/comment/1639416

https://lemmy.world/comment/1638488

Not the most dramatic thread, but I’m trying to get some drama posted here again. Regardless, !politics@lemmy.world can get very dramatic

——-

Highlights:

Again. What the fuck does Hunter Biden matter, and why is this Scarecrow looking scab insist on wasting our money on this garbage?

Because he’s sneaking cocaine into the White house? [-74]

https://lemmy.world/comment/1585918

Now file charges under DC revenge porn law

https://lemmy.world/comment/1571973

Get her with the DC revenge porn law. It states very, very clearly, in the very first part of it, that what she didn’t did is illegal

Here:

(a) It shall be unlawful in the District of Columbia for a person to knowingly disclose one or more sexual images of another identified or identifiable person when: (1) The person depicted did not consent to the disclosure of the sexual image;

Except he very much did consent to disclosure by turning a drive and it’s content over to someone else [-97]

https://lemmy.world/comment/1574002

One side uses a distraction. It gets full media attention. People get involved. People get angry. People start blaming each other. Then, the other side counters with a distraction. It gets even more heated. This time it’s personal. There might even be consequences. Maybe…

Why the fuck are you eating all this rotting shit those out of touch, self-absorbed, greedy, attention-seeking Partisans are serving you? [-6]

https://lemmy.world/comment/1588479

These pictures… were in the publics interest… to see [-71]

https://lemmy.world/comment/1571673

One of the ai porn boffins needs to spin up a few MTG images. [-21]

https://lemmy.world/comment/1572028

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/1283571

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/1307147

Note: It would be best not to visit the instance for the time being until the issue is resolved.

At some point in the last 24-48 hours (approx. July 7-8, 2023) the instance vlemmy.net went down without a clear explanation, and at certain times redirected to a parked domain.

This comes after a notice from vlemmy admin pyarra announcing it was forced to de-federate with another instance due to content that is considered CSAM under Irish law (link to legal definition) syncing with vlemmy, hosted in Ireland. The original post link disappeared with the server but here is a link to a cached version from lemmy.world. There is no official confirmation whether there is any connection between this event and its disappearance.

This post on lemmy@Lemmy.ml has a screenshot of the redirected domain name.

An investigation by a user on Fediverse@lemmy.world is underway... their findings were as follows:

• [Information from 1AM EST Jul 9th] vlemmy is still “up” and intermittently accessible. It is running "slow as hell"
• Stripe, Librepay, and Github accounts are all closed. Closure date unknown
• Reddit account still exists and has been messaged
• No mentions of the instance in Element.io chats but still searching
• They have almost certainly NOT lost their domain. Who.is historical records show no ownership or nameserver changes.
• The user updated the post stating "I’m working through about 40 different potential leads right now"
• The user is requesting help from the community finding an image from the kerbalspaceprogram community on vlemmy potentially left in someone's browser cache.

Please be careful in ensuring content on lemmy.ca follows the site rules and Canadian law, so as not to get this wonderful server in trouble either!

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/387482

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/805172

Big Drama Llamas...

User @th3raid0r@tucson.social posted a call to pressure the devs to return CAPTCHA support before v.0.18 arrives on the community !technology@beehaw.org.

Mixed response from users and beehaw admins.

Lemmy issue #2922 is where it was removed 2 weeks ago due to its effectiveness being limited, Lemmy issue #3200 is the issue where it is suggested to have it return. Repo maintainers are somewhat perceptive to reverting it but would be more willing to accept a full implementation of graphical CAPTCHA over the previous version.

Alternative links: https://lemmy.ca/post/793011, https://beehaw.org/post/667199. (Note that if you view from a defed instance with Beehaw you will only see a handful of comments).

Discussion welcome here.

there was an update from the admins of lemmy.nsfw where language barriers got in the way and the wrong impression was made, which was quickly addressed by the instance's other admin as well as edited by its' original author.

this got people in this instance concerned until the edit was made, however in two threads about it on kbin social the anime PFPs came out to play and the head admin of dataterm was obligated to comment as well

the funniest part is, it really demonstrates the truth of stereotypes about people with anime loli PFPs. at least a couple of the commenters in those threads are going to end up on watchlists.