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submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by AVincentInSpace@pawb.social to c/196@lemmy.blahaj.zone

I don't like Biden either, but anyone with half a brain knows there are two choices in the 2020 election. If we had a sane voting system, voting third party might be worth it, but as it stands, no one but you knows your favorite candidate exists and unless you want to become their campaign manager that will still be true in November. Even if you did, and even if you convinced two thirds of the people who would otherwise have voted for Biden to vote for your chosen candidate instead, Trump would still win because half the country voted for him and your guy only got a third. If you vote third party you might as well stay home.

Not voting isn't going to stop the genocide in Gaza. The US will continue to funnel them arms no matter which candidate wins this November. Trump practically campaigns on how much he hates the Jews and he's publicly told Israel to "finish up their war". He'll also make life a living hell for anyone who isn't a straight cisgender male back here at home.

A vote for a candidate is not an endorsement of them or their policies, it's a statement that you like their policies more than the other guy's, and "sticking it to liberals" and "refusing to support genocide" (that's not what voting for Biden is doing, by the way -- a vote for either candidate is a vote for genocide and a vote for neither is an endorsement of both) is not more important than keeping the furthest right politician America has ever seen out of office.

How incredibly privileged do you have to be to see an entire national election as what will happen in the Middle East and ignore Trump's campaign promises to wipe transgender Americans off the map, and further, to not realize that the same thing will happen in the Middle East regardless of which candidate wins?

I hate Biden as much as every other leftist here. But I'll still vote for him because Trump is worse. If there's a single bone in your body that cares about the lives of your trans friends you will too.

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[-] Praetorian@sopuli.xyz 18 points 5 months ago

It's crazy to me that you don't have a mandatory voting system. Hopefully enough on the left gets out and votes. I do have a feeling that due to tRump losing a portion of his base, he may lose simply because of a lack of votes.

[-] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

Don't be fooled by these posts. Plenty of us will be voting 3rd party but that's not what these people want either.

[-] OftenWrong@startrek.website 7 points 5 months ago

At that point you're voting for trump and that's all there is to it.

[-] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

Blame Biden for not giving us what we want. Dude would rather keep shipping bombs, blocking strikes and generally continue to be a piece of shit than cement a victory in 2024.

[-] OftenWrong@startrek.website 6 points 5 months ago

No, I'll blame people like you exactly like the first time trump got elected.

[-] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

No, I’ll blame people like you exactly like the first time trump got elected.

And what do you suppose the outcome will be the second time around?

If you want a different outcome you need to try something different.

[-] OftenWrong@startrek.website 6 points 5 months ago

That's simply not how it works, unfortunarely. I'm not willing to risk a trump presidency by throwing my vote away.

[-] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Sounds like U.S. democracy has already failed then.

[-] OftenWrong@startrek.website 3 points 5 months ago

Yeah, no shit. That doesn't justify throwing our votes away on candidates that simply have no chance. Trying "something different" for the sake of saying you tried something different does nothing but feed your own ego. In the meantime poc, women, and the lgbtq community will be thrown under the bus with another trump presidency.

I'm honestly skeptical of anyone that's pushing for not voting or for voting 3rd party because republicans are pushing this narrative hard right now. They know nobody sane will vote for trump so their best bet is to discourage voting for either candidate. If you're not working for the republican party on purpose you honestly might as well be since you're spreading the same rhetoric they are.

[-] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

In the meantime poc, women, and the lgbtq community will be thrown under the bus with another trump presidency.

Does Biden know that?

[-] OftenWrong@startrek.website 1 points 5 months ago

Die standing on your questionable morals then and live with the consequences of your choices.

[-] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

Buddy, my morals have nothing to do with it. The sitting president is fully aware of what another Trump presidency means and would rather keep shipping bombs to fuel a genocide then solidify his chances in the general election. Whatever battle you think we're fighting, we lost.

[-] OftenWrong@startrek.website 1 points 5 months ago

You go ahead and lose. I'll continue to push for realistic and incremental progress.

[-] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

There is no incremental progress.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

i lile where you are coming from but keep in mind that a mandatory voting system with no other measures would backfire pretty quick due to a lack of infrastructure.

the US establishment benefits from about 1/3 of the population not voting, with a good chunk of those being literally unable to attend polls due to inaccessibility and long lines in combination with not getting the day off. attempts to increase voting turnout are met with extreme and immediate hostility. see the recent backlash against taylor swift simply telling people to register to vote.

same goes for preferential voting/abolishing FPTP. it’s not so much crazy it doesn’t exist yet as par for the course. the entire country is fucked, not just a couple voting measures that americans are too lazy to implement or something.

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