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What does gender have to do with this!?
Patriarchy is quick to war and values physical aggression. If we were ruled by matriarchy the wars would be sparse and pragmatic. No dick measuring contests on geopolitical arena.
You can disagree of course but you must surely notice that men are more prone to aggression and seek physical fights.
Misandry is gross, too.
Well it’s a nifty word to prohibit certain discussions and make everyone feel ok at all times. But not talking about something won’t make it disappear.
It’s a word that describes a phenomenon with precision, which often allows for more nuanced conversations that are ultimately more challenging and useful. I’m not advocating for your silence by using it, just illustrating that your actions are also gross.
You’re conflating “men” with “patriarchy,” which just reinforces harmful stereotypes about gender and sex. You’ve created a binary where one side is “bad” and the other is “good,” and used stereotypical narratives about gender to do it. You’re using the same harmful logic that the people I’m sure you most disagree with use.
Eye for an eye, you might say
I think you're ignoring all the bloodthirsty queens who've ruled throughout the ages. Aggression and conflict is a human issue, not a male one.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3463364
I should hope a matriarchal society would also resort to violence in response to Israel's violence.
Whether a corruption of or supremacist splinter of the feminist movement exists should not dissuade you from supporting the true feminist movement. Equality has not been reached, feminism is necessarily both in material reality and ideologically in the event that equality is reached. Feminism also uplifts men in areas where men are underprivileged and is not a matriarchal or misandrist movement.
I watched the 20 minute podcast you linked and I remain unconvinced by your position. I don't shy away from the reality that men are disproportionality represented amongst those who have committed suicide. But this isn't an anti-feminist position. The gendered nature of suffering and conditions that lead to suicide are precisely what feminism is about and works to destroy.
'The feminists of today' are not predominately radfems and terfs and Tumblr agitators. I can't provide statistics on this, as I assume you also can't, but they aren't popular positions I regularly encounter in my life. Though I do also encounter them. Feminism is a mature movement with theory and scores of academic study. It's not so niche that it can easily be co-opted by a few years of malicious branding. If you feel it has, I recommend changing your scene. If you do a good faith dive into feminist theory, feminist academia, or a local organisation, you'll find empathetic people analysing through a lens of intersectionality or dialecticism.
While women's issues get far more coverage and mindshare, that's simply because women have a larger role in the movement than men, and women naturally are more cognisant and affected by women's issues. Men's issues are fully the responsibility and care of all feminists. Sometimes there are just biases and blind spots. Men don't need their own movement, and neither does pretending patriarchy doesn't exist solve any of men's problems, or help your women comrades.
And I do recognise that the capitalist system both attacks and attempts to co-opt feminism. But they only do this because feminism is a threat to capitalism. By not engaging and fighting for feminism, that co-opting can take place.
With all of that said, I'm not hugely well read or invested in this area of the proletariat liberation. If another comrade would like to chime in, that would be helpful. But to cover my shortcomings, I'd like to point you towards the Revolutionary Feminism community on Lemmygrad.
!feminism@lemmygrad.ml
Will you please consider visiting and having a chat with the folks there?
I think your world view is common and one I'm completely empathetic towards, and that you expressed it reasonably, and that you didn't violate rule 1. But it was deleted by lemmy.ml mods, not grad.
As with communism, you need theory to have a common understanding and starting place before discussions are fruitful. And the theory gives you the tools to analyse, and addresses the common situations and topics. The same way not reading economic theory makes it easier to become a liberal, not reading social theory leaves you vulnerable. When you preach communist principles to your friends and family, you probably don't demand they read theory, but you yourself having read and understood theory is surely paramount. Consider all the cases where liberals would claim Marxist-Leninists ideas are only applicable in hypotheticals, where understanding theory allows you to apply the ideas to practical and real scenarios because you have a framework for addressing contradictions.
It does! It absolutely does. Isolation and atomisation are key topics. As is the gendered nature of what jobs are socially allowed to demand from workers with or without paying them.
Men hold up half the sky. Men are not inferior to anyone. But the concerns of trans people especially, but also women are more dire and pressing and have more clear solutions. That's why those issues are talked about more. But jihad for men's liberation must continue as well. Until those issues have clear solutions, and then starts the jihad to implement the solutions as we strive to liberate trans comrades, as we strive to liberate women.
But you're encountering those thirsty to oppress men now in your current scene. You feel they're omnipresent. That's what you described above. This is an illusion perpetuated to keep you out of the fight.
I am not aware of matriarchy existing to scale anywhere.
The feminist movement isn't a women's movement. It's a movement against patriarchy. Men and women need liberation from patriarchy and from capitalism, it's the same struggle. Men's unique issues, unique challenges and injustices done upon them are worthy of examining and eradicating. But it's best done borrowing the existing knowledge and analysis of feminism.
Okay. That's your choice and I don't fault you for making it. I believe this is the most popular position overwhelmingly. Imperialism and capitalism undoubtedly impact and devastate more people. I'm myself not very invested in culture war topics.
But I don't think this is true. And even if there was, has there not been positive spill-over from jihad for gay people? From jihad for gender queer people?
And the end of the day, your geopolitical stance is what matters. But I would ask that you don't launch criticisms of feminism without doing the proper reading. Most feminists are your comrades. Co-opters and specific grievances can be specified and attacked without sullying a popular movement.
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