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I posed a question in another thread, but this one seems like it's winning:
Who would represent Palestine if they had been accepted? Who can represent Palestine?
Well in a 2 state solution, you'd expect the Palestinians to be able to choose.
Unless we don't want a 2 state solution.
Right. But wouldn't they need a Palestine state before being eligible to join the UN? With unified leadership to represent them?
Seems like a prerequisite.
139 countries recognize Palestine as a state. Officially, they're a non member observer state.
Which of their two "governments" is being represented though?
That's putting the cart before the horse. You can't say "you have to have conducted a general election before you become a nation state."
That would be like telling a slave they can't become a free person unless they've already got a job that pays them direct wages.
That's not accurate. A UN recognition of nation state is not a pre requisite for self governance. FIFA recognizes more nations than the UN. If Taiwan can't be recognized by the UN I don't think there's reasonable expectation for Palestine.
I'm not saying it is a prerequisite. Historically being free was not a prerequisite for being paid some kind of wage at times either, for that matter.
Historically, many former colonial nations gained their independence before being able to hold free and fair elections. Kenya for example, or South Africa.
Palestine is in a similar state at present.
More importantly Isreal as well as the PA reject the idea of a 2 state solution.
Besides that being false (well, at least for the PA), nobody should care what Israel has to say on the matter. Anyone committing genocide loses their right to an opinion on the matter.
PA, you know Gaza isn't Palestine. Plus the two state is set at the founding of Israel, and both Israel and Palestine have equal rights to be represented in the UN.
It is another story that Israel is trying deliberately to undermine Palestinian rights and oppose any statehood. All the road blocks, checkpoints, walls, settlement etc. built and imposed to the Palestinian population are completely illegal according to international law, but again Israel backed by the US act with extreme impunity.
Why hasn't PA held elections for 20 years or so?
Under this thought process, if Gaza isn't Palestine, should the Palestinians' state be recognized, what happens to Gaza? Is it absorbed into Israel? From what I can tell I don't think this is gonna fly, almost anyone talking about this and the Gazans themselves don't agree it seems
Never said that, What is a Palestinian territory is defined in 1948. Where it is clearly stated what should belong to Israel and what to Palestine.
I mean, that ship has sailed though right? Israel will never agree to that unless it's destroyed.
I guess so, but Israel is acting like this because they have the US behind their back, and I am sure if this wasn't the case they would not be so reckless and act with such impunity in the region and it is a failure of the US to rein them.
I'm not as sure of that as you are, but I hope we get to find out soon.
They'd probably have all been murdered by muslim fanatics without outside support, something I feel far roo many here would support.
You mean exactly what Israel is doing right now? Because they don't seem fazed by the high civilian casualties or the dire humanitarian situation in Gaza.