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Anatomy of a Coup: How CIA Front Laid Foundations for Ukraine War (kitklarenberg.substack.com)

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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Uh yeah, people preferred Zelensky to Poroshenko, no shit! The further east you go the more people voted for this https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/20/ukraines-leader-stood-on-platform-of-peace-but-finds-himself-on-brink-war

When Volodymyr Zelenskiy sought to become Ukraine’s president he stood on a platform of peace. Zelenskiy promised to sit down with Vladimir Putin and to reach a deal with Russia. He would end the unpopular war in the east and concentrate on important domestic reforms. These included ridding the country of corruption and oligarchs.

It's hilarious how even mainstream western media clearly contradicts the narrative you keep trying to paint here.

[–] Stanley_Pain@lemmy.dbzer0.com -3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Reading is hard and I guess so is following what you said.

You were talking about him running is campaign to follow Minsk. I said he didn't run anything on his campaign about Minsk and was in fact openly stating he wasn't going to follow Minsk, but he did campaign on wanting peace with Russia.

Comprehend now?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Oh that's weird, do explain this then

The Minsk peace process, which has stopped: “It must be restarted. It is a war with Russia, so the talks should be with Russia. It must be in the diplomatic format, with the presence of Western partners. We will never sacrifice our people or our territories.“

Seems like Minsk was very much on the table before revisionism started.

[–] Stanley_Pain@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

He was referring to a ceasefire and peace talks. There's not quoted text of him outright calling Minsk and lots of quotes of him stating he's not going to follow Minsk.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Go ahead and show me quotes from him saying he won't follow Minsk during his election campaign.

[–] Stanley_Pain@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I gave you three links that look critically point by point over his campaign election promises showing where he's failed.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I asked you to provide a quote from Zelensky during his campaign where he says he's not going to implement Minsk.

[–] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Zelenskyy's presidential campaign against Poroshenko was almost entirely virtual.[56][57] He did not release a detailed policy platform[58] and his engagement with mainstream media was minimal;[56][d] he instead reached out to the electorate via social media channels and YouTube clips.[56] In place of traditional campaign rallies, he conducted stand-up comedy routines across Ukraine with his production company Kvartal 95.[60][61]

A meaningful quote on an important foreign policy direction might be difficult to come by owing to this.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The point is that such a quote doesn't exist because Zelensky did promise to implement Minsk and to normalize relations with Russia. That's why he had so much popular support. When Zelensky got in power he basically did a 180 on the platform.

[–] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 years ago

Got it. Thanks.