758
real progressivism = against hate of all kinds
(lemmy.world)
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 29 May 2024
758 points (96.3% liked)
Political Memes
5041 readers
2165 users here now
Welcome to politcal memes!
These are our rules:
Be civil
Jokes are okay, but don’t intentionally harass or disturb any member of our community. Sexism, racism and bigotry are not allowed. Good faith argumentation only. No posts discouraging people to vote or shaming people for voting.
No misinformation
Don’t post any intentional misinformation. When asked by mods, provide sources for any claims you make.
Posts should be memes
Random pictures do not qualify as memes. Relevance to politics is required.
No bots, spam or self-promotion
Follow instance rules, ask for your bot to be allowed on this community.
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
Zionism =/= Judaism
I hate Zionism, and while I am not Jewish, I have a few friends of that faith and I will not see them slandered, mocked, or made to feel unwelcome in this world.
Same here. I am partly jewish. My great grandmother died in the Holocaust. And I am very anti zionist. And definitely not antisemitic. I have a ton of books on jewish life and history.
The problem is: what is antizionism? If to be antizionist is to oppose the government of Israel, then yes, antizionism isn't antisemitism. If antizionism is a negation of the legitimacy of the Israeli state altogether, then it's a form of antisemitism, because it's denying Jew's the right of self-determination.
I feel like when a country goes genocidal, it loses any legitimacy it once had.
I mean Germany is STILL apologizing for the Holocaust and still sweats anytime Poland's in the news.
And I hope that, one day, Israel will react in the same way with Palestine. But Germany still exists, and Israel should too.
Fair enough
Allowing white Europeans to collaborate with the Nazis and change their last names to fake a national identity that never existed is a ridiculous concept as a right. Zionists were offered other options for their own state and self-determination, but they wanted to steal Palestine instead.
Britain even tried their damndest to help them peacefully integrate into the region, but they couldn't stop doing terrorism and bombings against the British.
Jews didn't steal Palestine. That's a negation of history: you use a shovel three times anywhere in Israel and you find Jewish remains and artifacts. Cities like Jerusalem had a Jewish majority for ages before 1948. To negate that is antisemitic.
But to find a state legitimate doesn't mean that the actions of this state are. Germany and Turkey committed genocides, and nobody want the destruction of these countries. France and Britain colonized other countries and committed a lot of crimes there but nobody want the destruction of these countries. Russia or Japan committed a lot of war crimes nobody want the destruction of these countries.
Israel is a criminal state committing genocide and other war crimes and should be stopped by all legal means necessary. We should stop arming them. Ee should stop financing them. We should arrest Netanyahu. Maybe we even should send blue helmets. We should fight for a free, independent and peaceful state of Palestine. But without antisemitism, thus without denying the right of self-determination for the Jewish people.
You'll have to explain what you mean by Jewish person to me because it's honestly so watered down as to be meaningless now. Do you mean Jewish people like the ones who were native to that region when those artifacts were left? Do you think those Jewish people were white and didn't bother coming back until right after sunscreen was invented? Do you mean people who follow the Jewish faith? Because those people don't support the existence of a modern-day Israel?.
The white zionists who stole Palestine were offered other locations to have a Jewish state and they insisted on using terrorism and Nazi collaboration to go there instead.
If for you “people” is a genetic thing, you're also racist.
It's absolutely a question for me given that I'm Ashkenazi Jewish but atheist. My family came here from Germany after the Holocaust and now are just white because nobody practices the religion and that's how almost all Ashkenazi Jews self-identify in the United States. I have no meaningful connection to Palestine whatsoever and don't really agree that other white people have some kind of right to it.
It is a simple fact that Zionism didn't really take off until sunscreen was invented and that's for a reason. If white people descended from Africans 10,000 years ago came up with some kind of genetic marker or religious excuse would you agree they should use violence to take African cities from their inhabitants?