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Wait, who what now? I'm not aware of any extra immigration requirements based on your health situation. I certainly didn't get asked when I was a migrant.
To where? If you migrate to Canada you have to pass medical exam and all
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It makes sense if you remember that the universal healthcare system is insurance.
So if you are trying to migrate without a job but with an expensive disabillity and little money, then you are just a liabillity to the healthcare system.
And since the country is under no obligation to pay for the care, there is no reason for them to do so.
It is just basic resource management, you may not like it, but it is reality, regardless of what political system the country uses.
Except people don't move to a country expecting to not ever work... God forbid we pay for someone WhO DoEsNt DeSeRvE iT until they can get up to speed and on their feet...
We're such assholes, especially us in the US....
You are absolutely correct, most people want to work when they can, but look at it from the government's perspective, if they see a severely disabled person in his 50s with zero education, zero knowledge of the language wanting to migrate to the country, what they see is just an expense with few prospects of being able to contribute enough to offset the cost of treating/managing his disabillities.
He may be an absolute genious, but that is not known at the time, the government also must consider that any resources spent on this person can't be spent on someone else.
So in this case the financial argument is clearly against accepting the person, based on the information the government has, the person should be rejected.
In a purely financial world, that would be it, but luckily we live in a world with more incentives than purely greed.
Taking in the person will generate goodwill in some parts of the world, that might be reason enough to do it, or perhaps the person has valuable information that could also be reason to let them in, perhaps this person is part of a political party in his original country that you want to remain good friends with, then this is an excellent opportunity to show support.
All of this is extermely cold and calculating, I absolutely conceede that, but a government can selldom afford to let feelings dictate policy.
Even governments showing compassion do it for their own gain, it's good PR!
This is reality, and it is better to face it and deal with it than to fight with an immaginary entity.
There’s lots that do, and not everyone will be capable of contributing. What about a mother of two kids with autism? She can’t work, will spend all her time caring for her kids who will into ever be a burden on the system.
Every system is abused, that’s why they have limitations.
I guess it is about proving that you can provide for yourself otherwise you won't be allowed to permanently stay. But this doesn't really have anything to do with the healthcare system. Just a guess.
Lots of places have this, I wouldn't be able to be a Canadian citizen because of it.
Okay, so that's two for Canada, one for "you have to prove you have a job or resources to support yourself, but no specific health care requirement".
Gonna guess this is a Canadian thing, then? Or at least a thing in some places but definitely not "all the countries with good health care".
I've only looked at Canada and Japan personally, but I can add that Japan also does this. The process of immigrating is to effectively prove you'll be a net positive on their economy if you live there, limiting disability is one way they can do that.
Well, hey, all I can say is that's not how it works either in my home country or in the other place where I lived as a long term resident, and I am glad that's the case. Over here even undocumented migrants have a right to health care, which was not uncontroversial but is definitely the right call.
Yes illegal migrants have access, as well as do everyone else in those places like people taking in during war.
The topic is specifically about people immigrating to those places from a country without soical nets, to a place with social nets, where they can only take from the system and never put back.
Illegal migrants and people accepted during wars, WILL eventually contribute to society. Immigrants that are already disabled is something else entirely.
No it's not. First of all, there is no requirement to be healthy to be able to be a migrant here. That's not a thing in either my home country or the country I personally moved to. Both of those place have "social nets".
I get being annoyed at the places where that is true, but why assume it's universal? It clearly isn't.
Or you just don’t understand the verbiage.
Which countries? I bet if we looked through there would be limitations.
I literally moved to a different country and lived there for a decade. I think I would have noticed while I was filling all the forms. I talked to no doctors, I answered no questions and nobody ever brought it up. The first time I got a physical after moving it was the yearly checkup at work.
And I've worked with migrants here as well. Hell, I've hired migrants. In one case we messed up the paperwork and had to start over. Not once did we check for any disability exemption of any kind.
And no, I'm not telling you my life history just because you're too conservative to assume that countries don't just issue blanket bans for sick people to be immigrants, go google it or something, do some research before telling other people on the Internet how the world works.
What countries? You can’t prove your claim without anyone being able to verify it.
Make excuses, but you need to provide the countries or your claims are quite frankly bullshit and not valid.
We don’t need a life story lmfao, two countries. Thats it.
And why are you saying I’m conservative? Because I’m calling out your bullshit claims? lol good one dude.
Because you are acting like a baseline of inhumanity is the norm and refusing to accept the economics of not being a complete dick could be sustainable, which is a pretty fundamentally conservative stance.
I'm still not telling you where I live because I am not an idiot, but what I can do is google it for you:
https://expatsi.com/healthcare/disabled-expat-guide/
There, go be weird somewhere else.
To get a visa in Panama you need to have X amount of income…. Thats the restriction on disability or being able to support yourself….
As I said, different verbiage, same end result.
Bury your head all you want.
Same amount whether you're disabled or not, so no, not a "restriction on disability" at all.
Keep going down that list, though, you'll figure it out. Just don't feel the need to post updates.
If you’re disabled and can’t work, you wouldn’t have an income. These places will give you money to support you if you can’t work.
If you have income, you pay taxes when you spend that money, you’re paying for your burden……..
It’s so simple, yet you miss this? Come on. You should insult me some more, show how little you understand of the world…..
Places with social net for people with disabilities don’t just want people coming in and being a burden on the system.
In theory, as a citizen you’ve paid your due in taxes until you became a burden.
I am VERY glad that's not how we frame it here.
I mean, hey, yeah, being a place where people like to retire the issue does come up in conversation, but health care is a constitutional right, it is provided universally and even undocumented migrants are allowed to access most of the system. Makes sense to me. You get taxed a proportional amount of what you make, everybody gets the support they need. I have several family members that would likely not be alive right now without that principle and that's how I wanted to be treated when I lived abroad, so I have no problem extending the same privilege to others.
Yay for socialdemocracy, I guess.
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/news/notices/changes-medical-inadmissibility-policy-irpa-take-effect.html
I think there is some thought going on about what it means as a society to discriminate against people with disabilities during immigration.
It seems like the US would have a similar problem with people moving between states that had medicaid expansion and ones that do not. I don’t know if there are any studies on the issue.
Discriminating during immigration based on a congenital disability feels like discriminating based on race to me.