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[-] DigDoug@lemmy.world 75 points 6 months ago

It’s some sort of perverse arms race built around a shared lie we all pretend we don’t know about.

There's a lot of that when it comes to work in general. It's like it's taboo to point out that the only reason people show up to their jobs is because they get paid for it.

[-] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 65 points 6 months ago

Right?

"Nobody wants to work anymore!"

Like no shit man.

News Flash: nobody has wanted to work ever. They work because the compensation lets them live the lives they want outside of work. If nobody wants to work for you, it's because you either aren't willing to compensate them enough to do that, or your job makes them so miserable that it's not worth it for them to trade away that much happiness for the compensation.

Or both. In lots of cases it's both.

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemm.ee 13 points 6 months ago

There are jobs I want to work, they just don't pay a living wage.

[-] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

But let's say you could also make that living wage just by existing. In a world where you wake up each day and a day's worth of your living wage was automatically deposited into your account whether you worked a job you liked or even if you went out for a walk in the park...would you still choose to work every day?

[-] Evkob@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 months ago

Define "work".

If by "work", you mean contributing to the capitalistic growth of The Economy™, then no I wouldn't want to work.

If by "work" you mean meaningfully contribute to my community and society as a whole, yes I'd still want to work. Not every day, but I was on unemployment benefits for almost a year, and it gets boring after a while not feeling like a useful member of your community.

[-] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago

I want to work, but the way I like to work.

If an employer only has a say in what I deliver, fuck yeah I want to work!

[-] jojo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 6 months ago

This

The only reason why any employer would be like "this is the way you work" would be in a team context, and even then, it should be a discussion, an adjustment, for practical reasons. never an arbitrary law

[-] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

But you're working in that scenario because you're being paid.

If you had that job where your employer only had a say in what you deliver (ignoring the obvious pitfalls of that arrangement), and they suddenly stopped paying you, or started only paying you half...would you still be okay with it?

If not, then you're working because you like being paid, not because you want to work.

On the flip side: if you had some sort of situation where you got paid a comfortable living that allowed you to cover all your expenses, indulge some luxury, and save...and you got this money no matter what, just for waking up...would you still work every day? Or work until your employer was satisfied with your output each day/week/pay period?

Some might...most specifically (I would think) people whose jobs provide some sort of personal fulfillment like teachers, caregivers, etc. but I think the vast majority of people would take the money and live lives that offered personal enjoyment and fulfillment, doing what they wanted to do, not what an employer (who at that point isn't their source of pay) would like them to do.

[-] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago

Wait, did you take my comment as “pay doesn’t matter”???

Of course it matters. Just saying some do value their work intrinsically as opposed for only extrinsically.

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