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Megathread for Reddit Blackouts and News - Day 3
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Many subreddits are holding polls on whether they should continue the blackout. For those who are boycotting Reddit, I would highly encourage you to go vote. Even if you plan to leave Reddit for good, a longer blackout will drive more users here.
On many subreddits that have polls, it seems like a majority favor keeping their subs open. It seems like the userbase is generally ambivalent or even hostile towards the protest at large.
Makes sense considering everyone who is pro-blackout is not on the site…
IDK I also see plenty of posts supporting keeping subs closed too. I doubt a lot of people have left the site for good. But those voices are generally outnumbered by people who don't understand what's going on or don't care about the protest.
Don't get me wrong... Lemmy is fine, but I am finding that most of the active posts here are about the protest on Reddit... plus a few discussions on current news and gaming... but little else. I am still spending most of my time on Reddit.
The Reddit drama is still the hotness right now, but soon maybe 2 months into the future it won't be as new and you won't see it as much.
I think this newest wave of decentralization is a good thing. Though we might lose knowledge held in those niche subreddits that choose to not go back that knowledge will inevitably migrate somewhere else.
Because, while we know how shitty Reddit as a company has behaved, there are millions who have no idea (despite the popular posts by mods across thousands of subs) and now feel that the mods and subs which went private/restricted are the ones damaging Reddit, rather than Reddit shooting itself.
To be honest, not that many people seem to actually care and I think this would have gone better if they didn't announce their "for 48 hours" bullshit. Imagine if the WGA said they were going on strike for two weeks and then getting back to writing. They would accomplish literally nothing.
Subs saying "for 48 hours" is the equivalent to that. If they just went indefinite from the start, they wouldn't have to be polling people who are now mostly just annoyed that their experience has been unpleasant for two days.
Honestly, as much as I support the whole thing, it went about as well as expected. Mods kind of shot themselves in the foot, now the community blames them.
In a way, those users are right. Either go all in or do nothing. Middle-of-the-road shit doesn't work for things like this.
Also, the constant image with the black background and large white text saying Reddit sucks (that's at least how it appears to general users) is becoming literal spam. Regular users see it, and it becomes one of those things where it's like "we heard you the first dozen times, please shut up". Also, because it's being spammed, it loses impact and people gloss over it or filter it out.
At best, they'll annoy enough people to leave (kind of roundabout way of accomplishing things, but I guess it works). At worst, they've given reddit a reason to declare the mods as promoting and engaging in spam which "doesn't benefit the users of the site, so we're going to step in and get things back on track so everyone can enjoy Reddit" or some corporate shit.
Honestly, Reddit's in a position where they may even have the upper hand now in terms of PR. Users angry, but not at them.
The thing is, the people who don't realize what this is about are going to be having a really rough time in a couple of weeks when moderation slides. Of course, they're going to blame the mods again and say they're doing it on purpose because the "protest failed and now you're just being spiteful and hurting the users".
We know that's not the case. The majority doesn't and won't care.
I think the real issue is that the protest coordinators were not able to succinctly explain why they had to protest to begin with. Charging third party app developers for API access is an esoteric topic. Most people don't even know what an API is. Most people don't use third party apps. Most people also don't care.
Yeah, I was going to mention that as well.
Longtime users and especially power users and mods have been on third party apps for ages. And because third party apps are the most "visible" examples of the API, that's what drew the attention.
As soon as they tried to explain "it's not only about third party apps, but also third party tools", that's when they lost people because explaining what those tools are and accomplish to users who aren't mods (or even familiar with tech at all) becomes a subject without much clarity.
To a massive portion of users, there is no "reddit(dot)com", it's just the app. The fact that so many subs are still using titles like "save third party apps" is a bad sign. It's not "save Reddit from spam bots and other awful shit" (which is one of the things this is mainly about), but you're telling a bunch of people to "save" apps that they don't use or care about.
There's an added cog in the machine here. Every time someone tries (and succeeds) in explaining the issues, the astroturfing (or just regular bootlicking) begins and suddenly there's seeds of doubt.
One thing we can count on is Reddit fucking up again. And again. And each time, it'll lose the more active users. It's not ever going to be a mass migration, but waves over time. Even then, what can we say Reddit will be in another five years? Probably different from what it is now, with users who expect different things.
I am seeing many users (especially those who haven't been around for as long) asking people what the big deal is and why their favorite subreddits are down. Half of the people trying to respond aren't giving these people satisfactory and succinct answers. The protest is breaking down as soon as it began.
You can't throw out an enormous number like that without further explanation or a source at least. The only post I found on my first Google search is from a reddit post (6 days ago) where it's said that reddit reports about 5% of its users coming from third party apps.
Apollo also reported having around 1.2M users while not being a small app at all.
So with 400M MAU as the lowest possible amount of users, somehow all others 3rd party apps have over 118M users between them?
I could believe 30% of users being old.reddit ones due to it not being deleted after all those years. But for mobile apps, that 5% quote seems the most realistic.
Asking the people still posting/commenting if they want a subreddit to stay open seems kind of pointless. Of course they want it to stay open, they didn't care for the blackout in the first place.
Every poll I voted on was overwhelmingly in favor of indefinitely privating the sub. And it was like 7 of them
It seems problematic to have a poll to about boycotting when those actively boycotting won't be there to participate.