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Labour lifts Tories’‘absurd’ ban on onshore windfarms
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What are you on about? This is not a policy by the greens, but one MP. Ramsay said '..110 miles of cabling using 50m high pylons will “destroy our historic landscapes and will require huge loss of trees”.' An MP who cares about his constituence!? The horror!!
He suggested that they should do a thorough analysis and consultation before going forward. Maybe the silicon valley mantra of 'move fast and break things' shouldn't be applied to our green future policies.
He is the co-leader of the Greens, so it's fair to say that he speaks for the party.
He is opposed to a policy which has already been thoroughly consulted on. The consultation found that the only alternatives would be to bury the lines, which would be more environmentally destructive, or do nothing, which would be more environmentally destructive. So, yes, he is opposed to green infrastructure, which is sadly quite consistent with the actual record (as opposed to the rhetoric) of the Green party.
EDIT: I should have added, the demand for endless 'consultations' is a well-worn delaying and blocking tactic. But it's especially hypocritical of the Greens who constantly use the (accurate!) rhetoric that we're in a 'climate emergency' to win votes.
I think the green party operates differently to other parties. They have a leader (two leaders) but don't enforce any rules or leadership structure. Their members are allowed to disagree with the leadership that isn't a leadership. Even the leader himself.
But they do elect leaders, as I understand, to act as spokespeople, and in this case they've elected as a spokesperson someone who's opposed to green infrastructure.
Another way of putting it is to say that at least 25% of Green MPs oppose green infrastructure.
I think it's a question of democracy against autocracy. You can either impose wind farms against local objections, or you can take a more difficult route and involve the local communities.
What I am saying is you can support green infrastructure, but only if it's sustainable and with consent of the local communiy.
That approach has just been tested to destruction under the Tories, who let local communities veto necessary, good, sustainable plans time and time again.
I thought that the Conservatives just banned onshore wind turbines regardless of sentiment on the ground.
They changed the policy so that wind farms could only be built on land designated by local councils as wind farm land. There's no sense preemptively designating land as for wind farms if no one is trying to build a wind farm, and there's no sense preemptively buying land for a wind farm unless it's designated for wind farm. Effectively it designated the entire country as unsuitable for wind farms and made it easy for anyone to have their objections count against a new wind farm. Opposition to wind farms is very much in the minority, but it's very vocal, very well organised and has the backing of fossil fuel industries.
By contrast, fracking was pushed through against the local council's objections and very much against the majority of local opinion. This is what you do with energy projects that you view as nationally important.
The Conservatives felt that it was important to preserve and further subsidise the fossil fuel industry, so they supported fracking, no matter how a surdly expensive or unpopular, no matter how much water was permanently polluted and locked away from use. It was only when literally hundreds and hundreds of minor earthquakes (that they said weren't important or indicative of a problem) led to a more major earthquake that made bad headlines for them, that they paused it for a while until the news died down.
Anyway, most large energy projects are not subject to local objections, except, of course, for the cheapest form of energy today, which is onshore wind, which was subject to local objections with extra hurdles in the way compared to any other building projects.
So it wasn't technically banned, but everyone called it a ban because it was easier to get planning permission for a skyscraper in the Lake District than a wind farm on the Pennines.
They didn't actually ban them completely. The government advice added two tests to planning permission for onshore wind only, which in practice were near-impossible to overcome. Proposals had to have 'proved community support', which meant (or was taken to mean) that if anyone at all objected, they couldn't go ahead.