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Elizabeth Warren stands by Biden in first public comments since debate (www.bostonglobe.com)

submitted 3 months ago by mozz@mbin.grits.dev to c/politics@lemmy.world

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I normally don't even want to get involved in posting a drumbeat of "here's something about Biden staying in the race" stories because, (1) I'm not sure he should, and (2) it doesn't "cancel out" the waste of time that is the incessant drumbeat of articles about how he should drop out. It's like taking uppers to counteract downers; it just doesn't work that way, it makes everything worse. And the amount of press this whole thing is getting and the way it's being presented is absolutely fuckin absurd.

But that being said, I want to post this one because I like Elizabeth Warren quite a lot and I think what she says gets to the core of the issue.

Also, if you are a Democratic politician or donor and you want to replace Biden with someone else, surely talking to the press about how he should drop out without anyone in particular in mind that you're talking to them about as a replacement, and a strategy to get that person into place, should be an absolute last, last, last resort for a way to get that done. And probably not even then.

Biden's thing of "If you want to replace me then mount a challenge at the convention, that's what it's for, and whoever wins, let's fuckin fight the real enemy" makes quite a bit of sense to me, and the longer this goes on, the less sense the people who are talking to the press about him dropping out make.

So here you go, here's a story about someone who thinks he should stay in and what she has to say.

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[-] WorkIsSlow@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

I would literally even take Kamla who is also unpopular, but I'm sure has a better shot. She also has the benefit of having access to Biden's campaign donations if he drops out.

Manybof these articles are also listing all of the other options. That's why I said literally anybody who doesn't have a sub 40% approval rating.

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev -3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

All of the other options that poll below Biden? Every other realistic option that's been polled, that I'm aware of, is below Biden in polling. Polling's not real accurate (to put it mildly) but it is precise, in that you can use a comparison between one poll and another with the same methodology to gauge the relative reality even if you can't see the overall reality.

Kamala Harris polls a couple of percentage points above Biden. She's the only one who does and the only alternative that seems realistic, to me. The other options would represent this gigantic risky clusterfuck to replace Biden at the last minute, just to install a candidate that polls worse, and that after the media just got done shitting all over Biden relentlessly and he had the world's worst debate performance.

Do you not ever ask yourself why the media hates Biden so much that they try to create this reality where -- for example -- replacing him with almost any of these semi-nobodies would be a good idea, when that's not how the people who would be voting feel? That seems like an important question to investigate, does it not?

Or no, you're just gonna go with "almost anybody would be better and I know because X Y Z created that picture of how it works and will play out in my head, and it's definitely reality because they sounded super definitive about it" maybe. IDK. Up to you though. I would be interested in knowing why they are so vigorous about it, though, if I were you.

[-] WorkIsSlow@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

You can't say that everybody polls worse and then agree that Kamala Polls better.

Kamala would be the obvious choice if the party rallies behind her. She would most easily have access to the campaign funds.

I didn't like Biden as a candidate before becuase of all of the reasons he's been a favorite of the donors that you're mad at for no longer supporting him. I don't think he has the best shot at besting Trump. The media and donors suddenly turning on Biden is because of his dismal polling and a debate performance that worsened it. They are interested in their investment above all else. Biden is a career politician and he has been a favorite of wealthy donors until he became a liability.

I'm curious why you're so ride or die for Biden. I'd prefer candidates other than Biden or Harris, but I'll support either over Trump. I would prefer if the one picked is most likely to beat Trump though. I don't like Christofacism.

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

You can't say that everybody polls worse and then agree that Kamala Polls better.

Yeah, that’s fair. What I meant was that everyone except Harris polls below Biden, and Harris is two points ahead. (I am not counting Michelle Obama as “realistic” because that is an asinine and imaginary idea.)

Check out the Ipsos poll for July 1. It’s changed since the one I was thinking of; now Biden is literally the best-polling candidate and equal with Trump in the only recent poll I can find.

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