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A leftist who can't see how the tea party emboldened and created the proto-maga movement just in time for Trump to take it over.
I will once again call bullshit.
A leftist who watched the tea party get taken over by republicans. It was an unmitigated disaster, and the libertarians that allowed that shit are mostly gone.
It is an amusing conundrum, though. Any popular libertarian movement is destined to be co-opted by larger groups if it's not closely guarded, and libertarians suck at being exclusive to ideas.
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Who would've thought that "rugged individualism" doesn't scale well, and that collectivism of any sort in politics (a fucking popularity contest with real world stakes) will obviously trounce individualism politically? /s
"If not closely guarded"? What does that even look like? A tiny political party destined to get 0.25% of the vote? Politics is a numbers game, it's not your favorite indie band, or a recipe handed down from your grandma.
If you keep repeating standard anti-libertarian talking points instead of actually attempting to understand then, well, I had enough of that on reddit. There's a difference between political individualism and peeps living in shacks and shitting with bears. After the state convention in 2020 some of the local peeps went downtown to hand out stuff to homeless peeps with Spike Cohen and his wife (who wandered around finding homeless peeps to drag them to the tent to get stuff).
I was referring to closely guarding shit online mostly. In real life it's just kind of absurd. When I saw pro-life shit at a tea party rally I almost vomited. Not much to be done about it. Back in the day we just helped out causes we cared about. Shared our state fair booth with NORML sort of things.
We have a system that's built to crush third parties. Libertarians and greens have to sue states every election for ballot access and their 4-5%.
Regardless, it's a mistake to write off motivated people that will back you up on individual policies. I may disagree with them on a lot of things now, but when we're doing activist shit it's fantastic.
Ah yes, online, where you can keep everything closely guarded...
What are you even talking about? Keeping something "closely guarded" online is perhaps more absurd than trying to do so in real life, where at least the people had to show up physically.
Oh, yeah, bad wording. Heavily moderated is what I should have said. Libertarians don't have much to keep quiet about.