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I don't know what library you're talking about because it doesn't match the description of the Bible.
In the book of Job, you see Satan casting down evil on Job and cursing him. Genesis shows Satan misleading Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. Revelation shows Satan as the ultimate source of evil. Isaiah talks about how far Satan has fallen. Jesus - who is God Himself - talks about Satan being a father of lies and Satan even tempts Jesus in the wilderness. Yes, humans do also carry a fault of following Satan and his demons in the rebellion against God, but your idea of rebelling against God is seen as "hip" and "cool", but rebelling against God is the bringer of genocide, wars, greed, famine and destruction. And then when God was incarnate on this earth as a Man, He preached love, kindness, morality and condemned evil. Yet we nailed Him to a cross, killing Him in one of the most horrific and humiliating ways possible. Yet on that cross He bore the punishment for our sins and offers us forgiveness. Not through our own doing or good works, but through His doing. He lived the life we should have lived and died the death that we deserved. That's who God truly is.
The word bible translates to library.
Honestly its time you actually did a little reseach on the history of your religion.
I have. And the Bible canon was decided upon long before 400ad. And it wasn't old "fables" either. They were rather contemporary accounts of Jesus as well as letters between His followers.
I was baptised less than a year ago. My decision to be a Christian is to do with research that I have already done. Atheist arguments are generally based on alternative theories and argument from silence. Reminds me of the classic argument "The Bible is wrong as there is no evidence of Pontius Pilate existing" until they found a first century tablet with his name on it. Or the "Christianity is wrong as Science says the universe always existed" until they discovered that there actually was a beginning.
Someone might want to inform King James, who published his version in 1611.
Your lack of knowledge is showing in public. You might want to correct that.
I think you just showed your lack of knowledge? The King James translation of the Bible is literally just a translation of the original Greek and Hebrew. That's like claiming that Egyptian hieroglyphics were written in the past 100 years because that was when we were able to translate some of them into English 🤦
It was literally altered to enhance the claim of the divine right of kings, among other changes.
"A popular Puritan bible had downplayed the divine right of kings — greatly offending James — and James manipulated different Christian sects until they agreed to produce a different translation."
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/origins-of-the-king-james-bible-180956949/
This is your religion, I shouldn't have to be telling you this. It's even been altered numerous times since KJV. It is not a literal translation and numerous books were left out because... they didn't like what was said.
Don't get me wrong; Christianity has many laidable tenets - "Don't murder", "Don't steal", etc. - basic rules for having a maintainable civilization, same as other major religions.
But don't pretend it is some static thing. It has been and is manipulated for polical purposes and is used to justify horrific treatment of others (same as other religions).
You might want to look more closely, but beware - studying religion too carefully is often the birth event of athiests.
So is David Cross proposing that the original texts were translated into the Vulgate, then Geneva Bible to KJV, then KJV was translated into the NASB which was then translated into the NIV and then ESV... Or something?
The Bible we have today, let's say the ESV, is translated from the original texts. Meaning any changes made by popes or King James or whatever are gone (you actually can see this as some parts are in the KJV, like the note in 1 John 5:7-8 which was not part of the original text, or the Lord's Prayer doxology in Matthew 6:13) and they are translated from the earliest texts. They don't lie to you either about the parts we cannot be completely sure of such as John 8:1-11 or the ending to Mark's Gospel. So what David Cross is actually saying here is irrelevant - if I were to take a text and badly translated it, then someone comes along and fixes my translation by correctly retranslating from the original text, their translation wouldn't be bad simply because mine exists - which is what you would be arguing for with your logic.
Also if we left out books because we didn't like what they said, we would have left out the Sermon on the Mount and the parts telling you not to have multiple wives.
My last response was unacceptably juvenile so I've retracted it - with my apologies.
I'll stick to the actually important part.
We may differ on matters ecclesiastical but this is all I really care about: If you are a Christian are you the type that actually follows the word of Jesus?
Not churchgoing, I don't care about that. Instead, being someone who forgives others, is charitable and helps those in need, as commanded by Jesus?
If so then you and I have no problems. I like you already - which means it makes even less sense to make enemies with you over the internet.
Enjoy your Friday.
Just can claim things are wrong about anything, doesn't make them true.