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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/17417643

In a conversation held a few days before the elections, Macron warned Netanyahu that Chikli's actions, which were openly and blatantly aimed at assisting Marine Le Pen's far-right National Rally party, constituted "unacceptable" interference in France's internal affairs.

An Israeli official who is involved in contacts between the two countries described Chikli's behavior as "a diplomatic bomb" and a number of other diplomats who spoke with Haaretz said Chikli hurt relations with France.

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[-] gaael@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Edit: this is a rant and does not address the issue, just points out Macron's shittiness.

Well, Macron openly and blatantly assisted Le Pen's far right party for the past sevent years. Idk what he's playing so shocked about.

It was Macron and his cronies who started the train of "well the far right is bad but the left is anti semitic" on which the far right happily jumped. Nevermind that Le Pen's party was actually created by an ex SS and that some of their candidates were seen having some nazi fun with friends.

A french newspaper just revealed that there have been secret dinners and meetings between people close to Macron and the far right's leadership these past month, the latest happening 3 days after the national assembly surprise dissolution.

[-] federalreverse@feddit.org 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

[Edit: It's correct.]

Please either remove or add a source for this:

Nevermind that Le Pen's party was actually created by an ex SS

Afaict, Jean-Marie Le Pen is the founder of FN/RN. He was born in 1928, and was trying to join Resistance in 1944:

In November 1944, aged 16, he was turned down (because of his age) by Colonel Henri de La Vaissière (then representative of the Communist Youth) when he attempted to join the French Forces of the Interior (FFI). -- source

Of course, he did beat up communists not much later when he was in uni.

[-] gaael@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

The English wikipedia article is not complete about the party's foundation: Jean Marie Le Pen did found it, but not alone. Since he was the party's president for almost 40 years, he's the most known founder.
Among the co-founders were two ex-Waffen SS, Pierre Bousquet and Léon Gaultier. See the french wikipedia article for more details.

Of course, he did beat up communists not much later when he was in uni.

And he did not stop there. During the Algerian independance war, he is believed to have tortured and supervised the torture of prisoners.
He's been condemned at least 25 times for antisemitism, inciting hatred and discrimination, minimizing/excusing war crimes and piblic outrage (not sure about my translations, these are serious offenses in the french law). For example, he stated multiple times that the nazi's crematory ovens were a detail of the ww2.
He's been riling up the country against non-white and non-hetero people for the last decades. And he's been president of a party that's had litreral nazis and neonazis in its ranks, which he never seemed to care about.

[-] federalreverse@feddit.org 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I stand corrected, thanks!

La version « officielle » de la naissance du parti privilégie le rôle fondateur unique de Jean-Marie Le Pen

It seems like an issue then that English Wikipedia seems to adhere to the FN version of its own history. :/

[-] gaael@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Most of us frenchies tend to forget the outer world exists, and we're usually much more active on the french wikipedia pages than the global ones - especially for topics such as details regarding our political parties. Even in French newspapers it's often implied that JM Le Pen was the sole founder of the FN.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 8 points 1 month ago

I mean yes but this and that are different things. The US is somehow okay with it but generally interfering in other countries' elections is not okay.

[-] gaael@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

I agree with both of your statements, I wrote my post while being pissed and frustrated about Macron's anti-left schemes. It wasmore of a rant than an actual useful answer, and I should have made it clearer.

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