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Trump Fumbles Repeatedly in Terrifying Speech at Florida Rally
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Work is inherently ableist. There are many many medical conditions that would stop someone from being an effective president, including dementia and aphasias. You could say it's ableist to allow a person who can't consent (not being in their right mind), to do as dangerous of a job and as taxing of a job as president.
And being able to communicate is pretty critical lol, regardless if you agree or not. A speech impediment is fine if it doesn't impact communication, but yes it's an issue if you can't understand them at all, unless they could perhaps sign (as in sign language). Communication isn't about speaking perfectly, it's about understanding your thoughts and getting others to see your point of view. Biden is not able to do either as he's switching names entirely, eg VP Trump and President Putin snafus.
That's not what ableism is about, though. A person who can't consent is a person with a disability, sure. But not everyone with a disability is at a disadvantage. If Biden was in a wheelchair, and people said that he shouldn't be president because he can't walk, that's ableism. Biden has a speech impediment, and yet, he can think clearly. If you say that because "he can't talk good" then he can't be a president, then yes, that's ableism.
I'll give you the "Trump" example, but I don't like the "Putin" example, because he was quick to correct himself.
That is 100% what ableism is about. Or do you think it's okay to let mentally handicapped people be first line soldiers in war? Should Forrest Gump have fought in Vietnam? Is it not specifically taking advantage of their cognitive disability to have them perform a dangerous job they can't fully understand?
One of the most abused groups are the disabled, particularly if they cannot communicate well. Making sure people with cognitive decline can actually consent and aren't being taken advantage of is so important, we have special jobs called bioethicists who consult with hospitals about this. It's exactly what ableism is about.
I have no problem if Biden was in a wheelchair. You don't need to walk to be president. It doesn't interfere with his ability to consent. It doesn't interfere with his ability to communicate. Both are essential for the job.
Also I can tell you aren't disabled and don't know anyone who is disabled. Because if you k ew these things, you'd know about reasonable accomodation which already covers this topic. If your disability fully stops you from doing the job, legally you can be fired and it's not considered ableism. I highly recommend you read the various cases and reasonable accomodations workplaces implement. It will help you better understand why you're so blatantly incorrect on multiple fronts.
But the problem here isn't a stutter, IT'S APHASIA. That's significantly worse, and he's gotten NOTICABLY WORSE over time. It's honestly a shocking level of decline in a person who can declare war and has the nuclear football. I would not allow my grandma to drive if she was having that many absent moments and aphasia issues because it implies she has brain damage. It's not that he cannot SPEAK, it's that he cannot COMMUNICATE because he has SEVERE COGNITIVE ISSUES he can no longer hide!!! That's how bad they are!!! It would be totally fine if all he has was a stutter. That's not what he has.
He also didn't fully correct himself - he never stated Zelensky's name. He appeared to have forgotten it. And he's met Zelensky more than once.
Eta: I take that last paragraph back, he does say Zelensky's name
I'll stop you right here. That's a false equivalence, or a weak analogy, whichever you prefer.
Again, you are not a doctor, and I am not one either. When an actual doctor diagnoses him and says that he is not competent enough to be president, in public, I'll come back here and admit that you have a point.
He did say Zelenskyy's name. You either forgot that, or didn't notice, AHA! I don't think you're competent to be a Lemmy commenter (ok, just joking.)
It's absolutely not a bad analogy, it's actually quite apropos since the president's other title is Commander in Chief, and he also could be shot in the line of duty as others before him have been. Why do you want to down play this so bad? You just enjoy abusing the disabled that much? Or do you like gaslighting others?
Again, doctors cannot publicly say he has dementia without losing their license. Either because of HIPPA, or because of doctor/patient laws regarding diagnosing someone who you've never seen. So unless Biden tells his personal doctor it's okay to release this info, you won't get that. And it's an absolutely preposterous standard to have imo but ofc up to you.
You can have a medical condition without being diagnosed. Diagnosis is a description of what's being observed. It's completely observable in Biden in recordings that he has aphasia. If you need to take time to educate yourself about aphasia, go ahead. You seem very confused about it. If you want to wait for an "official" press release, go for it, but this is just like when there was OBVIOUS ELECTION interference happening and people were saying "well idk, let's see what the judge says." LOL we can see it!!! In front of our faces!
If you could kindly time stamp where he says Zelensky's name: https://youtu.be/0WGDsrRUsTc?si=nnDCT4nNisQu7a6T
Eta: nvm! I saw it! I didn't remember that part, my bad. I still think he's having aphasia issues.
Commanders in Chief are not first line soldiers lol
Ah, I didn't know that. But someone who is an expert in the field could chip in. Right now, it's only political pundits, rich people, newscasters and gasp Hollywood stars!
Actually, here's a couple of them:
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/bidens-memory-issues-draw-attention-neurologists-weigh-rcna138135
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2024-03-07/joe-biden-age-memory-alzheimers-cognition
I'll concede that those may be biased, so if you find links supporting your claim from alleged experts in the associated medical field, please do share.
They still get shot at? Do you think people with cognition errors should be in any dangerous job? Why not have our offshore welders all have down syndrome, we could legally pay them less and they'll be easier to convince to go in those deep tunnels. And it benefits society for them to do that, we all need cheap energy, right?
Experts in the field CANNOT speak up without losing their licenses and possibly being sued. They CANNOT diagnose someone they do not have a doctor-patient relationship with, where they've seen the person for that specific condition within the last year. The ONLY reason so many medical experts were speaking out about Trump was because they were so worried and were fine risking their license over it, and because they were not actually "diagnosing" him - most called him 'a narcissist,' not someone with narcissistic personality disorder (the latter being a diagnosis, the former being a character trait arguably).
Use your own eyes. Read about aphasia. I think you can put 2+2 together on this one. You don't really need an expert for this.
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