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Bet the dickheads that shot Ferdinand thought the same.
Nobody believes they're on the wrong side of history. But after all, history is written by the victors.
Is that why WW1 is generally pretty unbiased? Nobody actually fucking won in that war. We must replicate this across all wars for reasons of historical posterity.
Turks in practice won. They lost parts of their empire they would be unable to control for long anyway. They murdered everyone they didn't like in the parts they liked and had their sovereignty over those recognized by "civilized" countries. And the world after that war made them useful for everyone else.
Japan, well, wasn't too happy with its share in the outcome of WWI, but clearly won.
Okay so we have two out how many countries. But fair point.
The dickhead that did it was so drunk that he probably thought he was shooting the FNAF robot.
You are not that naive to think it's his murder that caused WWI, yes? It's well known that all sides had been preparing for world war.
Serbia accepted all parts of the AH ultimatum, except for one, which was a complete violation of sovereignty.
There were no significant negotiations over this, because that ultimatum was not intended to be accepted.
Germany and Russia and France and Italy all mobilized without all these things we hear today about new red lines and negotiations and compromises in Ukraine and elsewhere. Humans have not changed, it's just that war was certain to happen. The archduke's murder was not, but it was very convenient since he was a rather peacemaking figure.
Nothing more immediately tempts me to dismiss a comment than one attempting to start with a passive insult. From a 1 day old account, none the less. I’ll ignore my better sense and plow on.
I guess I’ll also ignore the pages of articles pointing to it as the “immediate cause” of the war.
Guess I’ll not point out the all geopolitical tension you mentioned being be the “powder keg” that Ferdinand’s assassination ignited, either.
My comment was specific enough, go fuck yourself.
EDIT: Also using tired metaphors like "powder keg" in the context of WWI does the opposite of making your argument stronger. Argumentation is about logic, not about conforming to style. You might also want to lose that smug tone, it's equivalent to spending your opponent's goodwill on something unconnected to the subject. You might call the situation where everybody wants war a "powder keg", yes, but that doesn't really matter, war already was in the air for a few years before the assassination. In newspapers, in diplomacy, in preparations for their own grand victory by all big powers. Since Balkan wars (Ottomans losing trust in British world order), Bosnia and Herzegovina (South Slavs realizing they are food), Russo-Japanese war (ruining Russian friendship with Germany and Austria).
Why do I even bother trying and failing at being witty when the jokes write themselves.
It wasn't an insult. You're the person who sees any disagreement as a critique of their nonexistent intellectual authority, apparently.
Also I didn't miss any implications. FF's assassination couldn't by itself prepare troops and railroads for close war. That it was used as a formal cause means nothing. ~~In 1870 France declared war on Prussia with the formal reason of being insulted~~ (EDIT: this is false, they made some demands and such, dunno where I got this from). Tail doesn't wag the dog.
A sardonic, “you can’t be that silly” passes muster, and is semantics either way.
I caught your edit and I gotta ask, are you Serbian? I assumed you were just looking for an argument given the tone of your replies but the edit made me think otherwise. You surely can’t have interpreted my initial comments as blaming Serbia (or even Black Hand necessarily) for starting the war right? Because that is not what I was doing.
No, not Serbian, but I'm nervous about possible misinterpretations of such events, as today these may cause justifying "smaller" crimes to avoid some supposed bigger catastrophe. As that would happen right before WWII.
My first comment was just that there's usually no single cause of war, and if FF's murder and Serbia rejecting one part of the ultimatum were that, then the war would last for a few months after which everyone would apologize to each other and go lick their wounds.