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These are the incentives of the economic system. Are you up for radical change? We can't rely on companies choosing to be moral and nice.
We need workers to own the economy.
We need an economic system that rewards acting in the common good. This system, but with the workers in charge is still this system which rewards all the bad stuff of modern capitalism
A single owner-dictator is less likely to make decisions for the common good than all employees owning their workplaces together.
Socialism, however it's implemented (besides state capitalism a la China, which also isn't socialist), necessarily moves us closer to what you're saying.
You know there's a range of options between unfettered capitalism and unfettered communism right?
Slap communism on a population that's spent the past few generations training itself to reward cunts and you get the USSR on steroids.
Worker ownership over the economy doesn't just mean communism. There are various socialist and anarchist approaches as well, and like you say a spectrum in-between.
There are even capitalist compatible options like workers cooperatives or novel solutions like mandating unions and union participation on the board.
I didn't say we need to implement communism, you did. But I'm down!
I understand the value here, but I prefer to keep control over my business decisions. If employees are interested in having more influence, they should consider starting their own ventures. I believe maintaining direct control allows me to steer my business according to my vision and goals.
understand the value here. However, I prefer to keep control over my country's decisions. If citizens are interested in having more influence, they should consider founding their own country. I believe maintaining direct control allows me to steer my country according to my vision and goals.
Democracy has been tried and failed, just recently France tried it again and reverted to Empire. If you don't like where you are a subject, simply conquer some other territory. Let's just reform monarchy.
Yes being a petite dictator is nice for you and nobody disputes that. Your ownership and profit comes at their expense.
Since they are giving up all of that control to you. You must be giving them most of the profits then right? Right? That would only be fair.
Or do you think you deserve more than them somehow because you had money to start a business and they only had skills and knowledge?
I started this business, taught the skills, and make the financial decisions based on what I think is best for the company. I value their input, but the final decisions are up to me since my name is on the line.
Again, if that doesn’t seem fair, maybe consider starting your own business.
So you do think you deserve more then lol
Making financial decisions isn't a hard job dude. Every grown person is expected to do that in life.Your big benefit was that you had the capital to start the business. That's why it's called capitalism. The people with the money like you are like modern day lords. Only living off the privilege of having money when others don't.
I would gladly start my business if I already had enough capital for it. But I need healthcare for my family and for some reason that is tied to my job, making it an insurmountable expense. Maybe that reason is to keep me working for oblivious people like you, instead of myself.
You don’t know how I started my business. I had only $300-$400 in capital while collecting unemployment, so don’t assume I had a lot of money. Making financial decisions isn’t easy when you’re broke.
As for free healthcare, you don’t need to change the entire economic system. Advocate for better policies and vote for leaders who will work to make it happen.
Yes you're describing how capitalism works. Maybe you feel that you took a big risk and it paid off.
The risk you took was the risk of losing your capital.
There are many people out there who would not even notice that same amount of capital missing from their accounts.
That's the thing with systemic problems. It doesn't mean everyone participating in the system is causing those problems, it means the system results in those outcomes. Systemic racism doesn't mean everyone with authority is racist, systemic inequality under capitalism doesn't mean every business owner has a private jet.
Maybe you think you're "a good capitalist" just like maybe you think there are good cops. That doesn't mean capitalism and policing aren't systemically problematic.
We need to destroy the system and that means getting rid of people like you too, whether or not you think you're justified in skimming wealth from your employees because you were poor once.
Your argument misses the nuance of how capitalism works. While systemic problems exist, that doesn’t mean the entire system is broken or that everyone within it is contributing to those problems. Many people in capitalism are working hard to create fairer practices and opportunities.
Blaming all capitalists for systemic issues is too broad and dismisses the efforts of those trying to improve the system from within. Instead of tearing everything down, we should focus on making reforms that address these problems and build a more equitable system while preserving the benefits that capitalism offers.
did you miss where I explained to you that "systemic" doesn't mean "everyone in the system acts like this?"
Systemic means the rules of the system lead to outcomes which produce those issues.
The forces of capitalism only work to optimize profit, whether that profit-seeking has positive outcomes or negative outcomes is a pure side effect.
Tear everything down. Workers deserve to own the value they produce. There should be no private economy. You're part of the problem. The benefits of "capitalism" are the benefits of technology and innovation and even those are filtered through the profit motive into corrupted garbage before they're realized.
There is no improving the system from within. Your strategy is to hope everyone is nice enough to forego profit when it means harm. Your strategy is to hope political will keeps up with capitalist regulatory capture. Your strategy is to believe that there are "enough good billionaires" that the table scraps the working class gets are enough that we feel comfortable.
No, we'll take it all. The owning class are parasites. The working class is the organism.
continues to blame and call business owners parasites
wow you're dense...
get one of your employees to explain it to you
I've already showed them this, they think you're being rebellious for no reason. They're happy with their lives.
and everyone clapped...
I had a really good conversation with the concentration camp guard and he smiled at me, he's waiting for the right time to ask his general to stop concentration camping. What a good guy, can't wait for reform.
You're delusional to be comparing their jobs to those who have died in concentration camps. This mentality you have is giving me nut job vibes.
you don't seem to understand nuance so I'm demonstrating what systemic problems mean and how nice guys still contribute to those problems.
anyway, you're beyond my patience.
parasite
Again, maybe consider your own business ventures. Have a nice day!
consider rereading with comprehension in mind and not trying to dismiss me as a "nutjob" to avoid confronting difficult thoughts.
Have a nice day too!
Well, you should've debated better instead of just straight up saying "you need to get rid of people like me" and comparing me to a guard at a concentration camp. I wouldn't have called you a nutjob then.