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Trump refuses to say if he wants Ukraine to win the war
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What'd I miss?
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2 hours old account. Hey Russians, try harder.
Fuck is wrong with you?
Me and my popcorn wanna know what this guy's deleted comments said
Just came to agree, fuck Ukraine. All these drones have no real knowledge of that situation literally on the other side of the planet.
Real knowledge: Ukraine was invaded by Russia.
Contest that fact.
Ok? The US has invaded more countries than I care to find a list of. These invasions were supported by a majority here and believed to be justified. We invaded countries on the opposite side of the world. Russia invaded their neighbors, basically their extended family, and we're supposed to get involved and support one side or the other? The only reason it's a big issue is because it's pushed my certain political and powerful people. I'm willing to bet 50% of the money "sent to Ukraine" just ends up in the pockets of politicians and leeches here.
Nice whataboutism, but I have the perfect counter: I don't support the US and it's history of invading other countries.
Similarly, I don't support Russia invading Ukraine. I don't gamble so you can continue your "bets", but I'd love to hear how supporting someone who is defending themselves is wrong.
If someone breaks into your home and you fight for your life, I support you in that endeavor.
You all need to stop claiming "whataboutism." It is called a comparison, and if you supported it or not, it was a good comparison.
I'm not y'all, I'm me. And no that was literally whataboutism.
"[What about the fact that] US has invaded more countries than I care to find a list of."
Yeah what about it?
I don't support those invasions and them happening doesn't justify the Russo-Ukrainian invasion. You chose to deflect and then bet about where the money was going, for some reason.
Comparing isn't "deflecting." The fact that you also compared how you also didn't support the US invasions to the Russia invasion kind of proves it was a fair and relevant comparison. YOU should consider calling some things "whataboutism"s is sometimes "deflecting".
What about China genociding uyghurs
(Don't mind me just comparing)(Lmao you're a tool)
Comparing for what reason?
That's just Whataboutism, you know it
Basically most of it ends in the hands of the military industrial complex.
It's sad to see that the libs are just as post-truth as the magats are. The doublethink is honestly astounding. Not only is the US and NATO good (except for gaza) but it's also evil to invade other countries that pose a threat to national security (unless the US does it). Everything Putin says is a lie and he's Hitler and will always attack if we let him. Nato is completely harmless and a NATO armed Ukraine never was a danger to Russia except now when they managed to hold their own for so long and now shoot back into Russia after being so well armed by NATO. Why would the Russians not like NATO? Russians are Orcs because they are Nazis, except Nazis aren't Nazi's if they are Ukrainians. There was never any interference with e.g. the Euromaidan coup except we welcomed Ukraine into NATO and the EU with open arms and the CIA works excellent together with Ukraine intelligence services. Oppression is bad but Slava Ukraina and banning Russian is fine. Anyone who wants piece is a warmonger and Putin apologist. We are finally the good guys again! Stop the whataboutism of the entire history of US meddling and coups and illegal wars!
The historical facts are pretty clear how this conflict came about and why. It was a miscalculation - They didn't think Russias economy could support so much arms manufacturing. They also thought China wouldn't back Russia. But of course they did because they know they are next lol. There have been like 40 meetings between Putin and Xi Jinping and this war has brought them together. They are expanding BRICS and making new connection with the global south.
Of course this is still a win-win for the US empire and the oligarchs however this ends. They won't let it escalate to nuclear war and the wealth transfers are massive. The only losers are the taxpayers and the Ukrainians and Russians.
Lets not talk about the insane level of greenhouse gases emitted because of this war.
Love it! Thank you for that. I have been corrected and concede. I mean damn, that was well-informed.
Thanks, I was rather agreeing with you. And the whole thing is murky with lots of disinformation and feints on both sides. You kinda have to thread a thin line between US empire, liberal, socialist and Russian propaganda to find anything. My main gripe is that the narrative on the lib side is so obviously false and constructed in a way that makes demanding diplomatic solutions impossible. It's maddening!
Here is an interview with an Pascal Lottaz an "Ukrainian Associate Professor for Neutrality Studies" who was arrested and Amnesty International helped to get asylum in Finnland. His youtube channel features discussions with academics about current topics.