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Wow. They are really going over the deep end on this. How could this possibly help them win votes?
Backtracking equals flip-flopping, and then it's a slippery slope to learning and growing and admitting you were wrong.
You're probably right. And if they're going to keep swimming towards the bottom of the pool, I really want journalists to start asking them why Haitians are eating pets. Because that's the part that they haven't actually made clear.
Haitians don't eat dogs and cats in Haiti. The Haitians in Springfield aren't starving, most of them have jobs. So why are they eating them, JD?
JD isn’t talking to people who think stuff through like that, he’s talking to racists and they don’t care if it’s true or not, it gives them an excuse to feel that way.
They need to send Jose Maria Del Pino, the reporter who kicked Stephen Miller right in his whataboutism. That dude was relentless and would not fall for his shit.
JD would be fucked.
Dude has an accent in his voice, ergo he's "biased" according to the loonies.
It's a distraction, classic Trump move to get you to look at something else
A distraction from what? What is overt, disgusting racism distract from in any helpful way?
His dithering, weak, incoherent performance in the debate? Or is that already forgotten?
But he literally talked about this in the debate...
It gets them angry and supporting Republican anti-immigrant positions, instead of thinking about the issues that actually affect them, like why Steward Health Care was allowed to buy hospitals, squeeze as much money out of them as possible, give the CEO $250m, and then go bankrupt, leaving hundreds of people without healthcare.
You think people don't think about the dire financial straits they are in because Trump and Vance are being racists? And somehow that helps Trump get elected?
None of that makes any sense.
When someone is out of work, and the media tells them it's because of immigrants stealing their jobs, and not because of private equity squeezing companies to death for profit, yes, it helps Trump and the Republicans get elected.
The media isn't telling them that. The media is telling them that isn't true. Trump and Vance and their surrogates are telling them that. Trump was literally corrected in the debate.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/tyson-hiring-migrants-laying-off-us-workers-decimation-american-dream-top-republican
Here, an instance of media, in the "immigrants are taking your jobs" category. It demonizes Tyson while conveniently ignoring that Republicans haven't done a damn thing for labor in my lifetime.
I do not have the spoons necessary to bring you up to speed on everything that's happened in politics in the past few decades that you should already know. Honestly, I feel like I'm getting sealioned here.
Fox News is your instance? Yes, the network that has Trump's back all the time still has Trump's back.
Fox News is one media outlet and mostly, again, one that the MAGA faithful consume.
And even then- they aired the debate. People heard the fact check.
And those people are being told that the moderators were lugenpresse who were on the wrong side and want to protect criminals over your dog as part of their something something woke. The fact that the lamestream media keeps talking about how false it is and going to increasingly desperate lengths to deny it must mean we're onto them.
This is how the propaganda works. This is such a blatant lie that it should be a simple fact-check, but since that doesn't actually change anyone's mind all the attempt does is keep everyone talking about immigration, an issue that fires up the right-wing base and exhausts a lot of their opponents. You're absolutely right that we shouldn't be still talking about whether this is true or not, but focusing on how weird and dumb this conspiracy theory is getting. That's why the "weirdo" tack has been working for Harris in this campaign, and it's unfortunate that the headlines have lost interest.
Yes, again, those are the MAGA faithful. Trump needs more than them to win.
I didn't think I'd get to use this again so quickly:
He just needs to lose by a small margin. And that's absolutely possible no matter what Fox News tells his fans.
Sure. And then we continue with the "stolen election" bullshit, and Republicans still win other elections in Congress and state races. There's more here than just whether the president has a little D or R next to their name.
We were specifically talking about Trump.
It's not exclusive to Trump. The post itself is about Vance.
The topic does not matter.
The assertion at hand does not matter.
Whether anyone believes the assertion does not matter.
The only thing that matters is: Are you playing offense or defense?
Cuz attacking looks like winning. And explaining looks like losing.
https://youtu.be/wmVkJvieaOA
Okay? Well they're being attacked. Massively. So I guess this distraction isn't working out for them.
Who is defending? Not them, they are doubling down. Everyone else is calling the mayor and asking for a statement, or doing some vox pop with Haitians on the ground.
Yes, and all of those statements essentially are "Donald Trump and JD Vance are racist liars."
Which you seem to think people shouldn't say.
It "seems" you are wrong. I think they should go on the attack, and do that.
They are doing that.
Not the same kind of attack, it's weak. You hear anyone except lemmy people pointing out the stochastic terrorism? Or even pointing out that it's racist? All Harris said is, it's sad.. It's either defense (they aren't eating cats), or weak attacks
‘A crying shame’: Harris rips Trump's remarks about Springfield
"It's got to stop"
Such attack! Very powerful
Yes, I hear tons of people all over the media point out how it's racist.
Do you not pay attention to the news at all?
Two seconds of Googling:
Let me know when your argument starts to reflect reality.
Overt, disgusting racism is what his voters support, so it is a good distraction if there was news about something they don't support. They support everything, as long as it is evil, though, so do not ask me what that could be.
I don’t think this is going to help at all. Black people are going to be pissed.
They are too used to the typical news cycle where they bombard the public with lies to the point where everyone starts believing those are real. They've grown complacent.