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Let's talk hyperfixations
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Yes! Mine is like “big question” stuff. Philosophy, religion, psychology, etc.
There’s an inexhaustible amount of ideas to explore, so there is some variability. But as much as I read, I have not read fiction in like 20 years. No other hobbies, etc.
Luckily I found my way to psychology so I can practice in that area (mainly with struggles I have been through from the inside-out) and even provide “consultation,” i.e. getting paid to have a willingly captive audience listen to me info-dump about my special interest.
Mu hu ha ha ha.
What have you found on a scientific definition of consciousness? Last time I went down that rabbit hole, they had trouble creating an objective philosophical definition for it.
I think that if you don’t have a phylogenetically (history of species) and ontogenetically (development of individual) sensible approach to consciousness, how it evolved, and how it develops… then you are shouting at ghosts.
This is the most cogent and satisfying account I’ve found:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36937548/
Hope it’s ok to share sus dropbox link?
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/niz2t7kzl0av4wp9nqw2r/a-biphasic-relational-approach-to-the-evolution-of-human-consciousness-un-enfoque-relacional-bifasico-para-la-evolucion-de-la-conciencia-humana.pdf?dl=0&rlkey=x0mapqjo4ohzbbw2w5rigtzw3
[edit] There is a whiff of ableism when the authors discuss extensions of their model to “developmentally delayed” children. I think they are mistaken here; and I don’t think this mistake undermines the core argument.
In other words, I think it’s easy to take the core argument and use it in a neurodiversity affirming (even celebrating!) way.
But just a heads up that most folks here interested in science and philosophy, I imagine, will delight in 97% of this, and cringe / get pissed off at 3%.
At least that’s my reading.
Or, in the more field-specific terminology: zombies 😉
@sature @Goat
Are they adorable zombies like these?
Sorry, I’m just in a good mood today.
Nah, boring ones like these
Sorry it took me so long to respond. The content is pretty heavy, so I needed to find a time when my mind was able to properly appreciate it.
These people are applying a quantum physics approach by suggesting a superposition of consciousness that is both discrete and continuous. It’s so interesting how things in science are heading that way.
Oh yeah, these guys are totally into trippy physics.
Reminds me of the common traditional rhetorical question, “What came first: DNA or DNA polymerase?”
Awareness is having knowledge, not responding to the knowledge. I guess one could argue that the state of being aware is a respond to incoming stimuli, so in that case, awareness is a passive response. It’s not something that is actively done. It happens without free will or intent. However, later on in the same section, they posit awareness as an associative learning adaptation, which does make more sense as a response, so I get it. Still, something about it makes me uncomfortable.
This is such a good and interesting point! I’m thankful they brought it to my awareness.
Woah!
I’ve like to know if they get the same results with autistic kids lol
Wait, so when dogs bark at someone knocking at the door, they’re not telling me someone is at the door. They are merely reacting? They don’t intend for me to know?? That makes soooo much sense, but I didn’t expect that.
I’ve never thought if this!
Wowwww. So cooperation came before problem-solving. That makes so much sense. I always wondered why animals that are typically independent weren’t the best problem-solvers since they were on their own. Being completely self-reliant would make me think that they would benefit from problem-solving skills since there isn’t anyone else to teach them. But as these authors argue, they need cooperation first as an evolutionary step to develop the capacity to problem-solve because they need to develop relational thinking and be able to apply that relational perspective to other items.
I’m totally going to read those two articles!
Added this to my library check out books!
This blew my mind!
I would love to see scientists apply this to autistic minds.
lol These authors are throwing in jokes.
Interesting!! Are they saying that consciousness is not a thing? Totally going to read that Hayes article too.
I would love to see this applied to Cluster B personality disorders
I really needed someone to say this! It’s now one of my favorite quotes.
I completely agree with this. They described what it’s like to take psychedelics so well.
From you:
I totally agree. It's almost implied in my comments above where I wonder how their ideas would work when applied to autistic minds. Aside from that, I think that their ableism is rooted in their evolutionary approach where becoming a conscious human is the peak of consciousness. Despite the ableism, I still think they made a valid contribution to the literature, and I'm happy they did. We can address the ableism now that it's out in the open lol. I rather people freely share it rather than pretend it doesn't exist and consequently gaslighting everyone that says it does exist.
This was an extraordinary article for me to read. It is full of a lot of scientific and personal insight that is going to take me awhile to process and respond thoroughly. I’ve placed my initial reactions above in the meantime. I really appreciate you sharing it! Thank you so much