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I don't know why I'm surprised they don't but I really expected that maybe this time they would care even a tiny bit.

Like they kinda sorta cared a little bit about healthcare for a minute and that blew over, and then they kinda sorta cared about minority rights for longer than I expected so that was cool but these issues are actually kind of historically complex and difficult to solve so I wasn't too surprised when libs just... fucking forgot. Climate change, me too, student loan debt...all sorta kinda complex in certain ways.

But genocide is so simple. It's probably the least complicated issue that libs have ever had to confront. Bombs go out children go boom it cannot be less complicated.

And yet here we are with libs across America hand wringing about how well it's maybe not genocide and maybe it's somehow complicated and maybe we should talk about it after we defeat Trump who we're SURE will do this complicated thing we can't quite understand worse somehow.

I guess if genocide staring libs in the actual face isn't enough to get them to care a tiny itty bitty bit about maybe trying to do something good for once...is there anything that possibly could? I can't imagine much worse of a thing than literal genocide. Maybe libs are just wholly incapable of using their brains or their hearts in any capacity at all.

And if that's the case is there any hope at all? I know there is but man this moment watching this election and everyone cheering wholeheartedly for as much genocide as they possibly can might be one of the most hopeless I've ever felt

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[-] Sulvor@hexbear.net 24 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I 100% feel you. We've been here a dozen times but I still hate being construed as naive for thinking the libs will eventually get it. If we do not believe that at least half of our population can be reeducated, what are we really fighting for?

I think it is revolutionary optimism to believe that the non-chuds in our lives can eventually come to learn that capitalism is their enemy and the root of all their problems.

I have a lot of lib friends who accept a lot of what I say, but refuse to reach the point of true revolutionary thought. I will not give up on them though, they are well meaning, empathetic, non-bigoted, non-hateful people.

I believe this is the turning point for western leftism. We cannot turn our backs on the GOOD western liberals who have been propagandized and manipulated their entire lives.

Pro-Zionists are fucking gone and always have been, but the ones that simply believe it's just another middle east terror problem have been misled and intentionally miseducated on the situation and it's history.

People who think otherwise are elitists and I will die on this hill.

[-] Pentacat@hexbear.net 11 points 2 months ago

I think the chuds are closer to believing that capitalism is their enemy than the die-hard liberals. Liberals believe the whole “it’s complicated” thing and they’re easy to keep confused. I agree that a lot are close. One of the biggest lib friends I have doesn’t accept a lot of my revolutionary thought, but he opposes the genocide and calls it what it is.

Chuds run on emotion. I’m never going to get them to read theory, but they know they’re getting a raw deal. The deal is going to keep getting worse, and, at least out here in SoCal, the scapegoat group thing only goes so far.

[-] Sulvor@hexbear.net 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Those people will turn to fascism instead, their thinking is backwards and hateful.

Libs justify the wrongs in the world as "outside their control", chuds are happy with what is happening.

[-] Pentacat@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago

There isn’t a non-fascist option, so the whole country has turned to fascism. Where I live, nobody is happy.

[-] Sulvor@hexbear.net 14 points 2 months ago

There is a non-fascist option, you are here. Your friend who recognizes genocide for what it is won't give in to fascism either. Wherever you are, there are countless numbers of people who feel helpless and jaded and resent the system for the right reasons.

[-] Pentacat@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago

Agreed. It’s tough to stay optimistic sometimes.

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