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Israeli military says Iran has fired missiles at Israel (abcnews.go.com)

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[-] eramseth@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

*centuries

[-] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 months ago

Well. The current conflict with Israel only really goes back about 80-ish years. And there are strong arguments that the current iranian proxy wars are a different conflict with different root causes but... yeah.

The region itself? Most of that goes back to when The West decided to redraw borders with no real logic other than guaranteeing cyclic wars of ethnic cleansing between warlord. I want to say that is more 150-ish years, but I genuinely forget. So it very well could be centuries in that regard.

But the way to think of it? The former is why EVERYONE hates Israel. The latter is why nobody is actually interested in helping the Palestinians and just view them as a way to bleed IDF resources and give the government rope to hang themselves with.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

I would say the current cycle of violence can be said to have begun after WWI and the defeat of the Ottoman Empire. But there have been plenty more cycles of sectarian and tribal violence in the region over the centuries.

[-] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 months ago

Yes. There are millenia of conflicts. There are millenia of conflicts around the globe. You get two groups of humans next to each other and they are going to start stabbing each other.

But it was normal (apologies for the negative connotations) tribal warfare. Different regions would fight other regions as both skirmishes and conquest. But it was largely when Westerners decided to draw up a bunch of maps with no willingness to understand the residents that we began the current cycles of horror. Because lets say you hate the Reds and the Reds hate you. But now? Now you live in a city with one Red and the rest of the Reds live in a city with one You. Eventually someone decides to do some ethnic cleansing which leads to retaliatory ethnic cleansing and more wars and so forth.

And, inevitably, warlords see an opportunity to gain power. Which leads to refugees which leads to ethnic cleansing which leads to...

[-] Breezy@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

Pretty sure humans dont always stab one another. But if thats what you assume will happen, it will just push one person to stab first. We should be rejecting any and all hateful talk and speach. As soon as someone talks about instigating voilence, its no surprise that people start taking pot shots at him.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 points 2 months ago

Bit of it, yeah. But Iran in particular is a mid-20th century clusterfuck of British and US interference.

Honestly the best thing we can all do is wean ourselves off oil so it can go back to being a scattering of unimportant desert tribes.

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