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Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine 2 Dev Says Big Budget Games Are Failing in Part Because Teams Are Over-Scoping Their Projects (www.ign.com)

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[-] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

Personally, I think Star Citizen is shallow and pedantic.

[-] BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 5 points 2 months ago

It's just a scam though isn't it? 💣💣💣

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

They're doing way too much work for it to be a scam. Irresponsible, naive, badly managed, sure. It can just be a bad project.

[-] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Its an educated wish.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

It is, it's also in alpha still. If they were claiming beta in this state I'd be more worried rather than just mad they keep adding stupid shit instead of going full optimization. They have a game, they just need to get it out the door and worry about content in future releases. It's like the painter who can't call a painting finished.

[-] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 months ago

After what feels like 20 years, it still being in alpha should worry you more than if this current state was called a beta.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

Yes and no. On the other side they've essentially rebooted development something like 3 or 4 times. So there's a chance it comes up roses.

[-] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 months ago

For other games that would be described as development hell

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Yup, I acknowledge that it's in development hell.

[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago

Hell is a crucible that produces gods and ash.

[-] Moc@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Do the developers want to create a god, or are they happy to take the money and let it crumble to ash?

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 2 months ago

There is "this game needs some more baking in the oven" and then there is "let's stick it in the oven and forget about it, hopefully it'll get incinerated and we can take everyone's money".

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Oh well if they've only started four times then that's fine. It's only a problem if they do it 20 times right, then we worry, but 4 times, nah, that's standard.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

I'm not saying this is normal. Why are you so hellbent on making me look like I am?

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 2 months ago

Why you so hell-bent on defending fraud?

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

I don't know who pissed in your cheerios this morning but it wasn't me.

[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 6 points 2 months ago

It’s like trying to trace an outline of a fractal.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 5 points 2 months ago

They can claim whatever they want. But if it's publicly available then it's a beta regardless of what arbitrary name they give it.

If it was alpha it should be free.

[-] Cypher@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

The industry definitions of alpha/beta disagree with you.

Words have meaning and you’re using them wrong.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 2 months ago

You are correct words do have a meaning. A weird thing for you to bring up since you're the one incorrectly applying labels here.

Alpha products are available only for internal review, they are not available for public release they are not intended to be viewed by the general populace.

If you're charging people money for it then it can't be an alpha because now it's an external product not an internal sample.

[-] Cypher@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

In video games development, and more broadly in software development, Alpha state refers to a feature incomplete and largely untested state and is unrelated to internal/external sales, review, testing or release.

Alpha software is not thoroughly tested by the developer before it is released to customers.

While outside of recent trends, particularly in crowd funded games development, alpha releases to customers for paid software are less common they do occur and don't have any bearing on the alpha state of the software.

In general, external availability of alpha software is uncommon for proprietary software, while open source software often has publicly available alpha versions.

Further

A feature-complete (FC) version of a piece of software has all of its planned or primary features implemented but is not yet final due to bugs, performance or stability issues. This occurs at the end of alpha testing in development.

And for Beta

Beta, named after the second letter of the Greek alphabet, is the software development phase following alpha. A beta phase generally begins when the software is feature-complete but likely to contain several known or unknown bugs

I am both a qualified software developer, and have worked in the video games industry. I hope you have learnt something.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_life_cycle

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world -4 points 2 months ago

Sorry bud you're just wrong on that one.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 4 points 2 months ago

It's been in development hell for over 10 years it's not going anywhere slowly. They barely even have a product.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Okay? But it's still definitely an alpha.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 3 points 2 months ago

Okay whatever you need to say to justify it to yourself.

This game came out before I went into university I've now graduated and could have completed a doctorate and it still wouldn't have been in beta yet. Is the development studio near black hole or something what's going on here.