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[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Bracing for downvotes here...

Capitalism is good when properly regulated. Capitalism is an incredible tool for raising living standards, which should be the ultimate goal of any aociety. Disfunctional capitalism produces inequity.

Now I know someone is going to say that capitalists tend to accrue power, to which I say that is EVERY system. They ALL need to be kept in check. Socialism, feudalism, anarchy, oligarchy, it doesn't matter. Someone will try to accrue power. The economic system MUST be subordinate to the government, and ideally that government should represent the will (or at least the best interests) of the people.

I am FIRMLY in the "the system is broken and needs to be fixed" camp. Regulatory capture is a result of disfunctional capitalism. Monopolies are a result of disfunctional capitalism. Cronyism is a result of disfunctional capitalism. Capitalism as a system is not inherently bad except in the way that any system when allowed to run unchecked is bad.

A strong government hand, when wielded by empathetic and civic-minded people, is a requirement for any economic system. Given that, capitalism is the best economic model the world has ever seen.

Edit: pleasantly surprised. Shitlibs assemble?

[-] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

Well said. I agree with you, but with one caveat. A big caveat.

Capitalism does not seem to be compatible with our ecological substrate. By now everyone should be familiar with the basic facts of what humans are doing to the natural world. All of those negative indicators are strongly correlated with economic growth. The only times the warning lights flicker off - momentarily - is in the aftermath of economic crashes. Then the graphs resume their downward trajectories.

Unlike doctrinaire leftists, I am ready to accept that capitalism has been generally good for humans as a species. But the evidence is clear: it's been an absolute disaster for the environment. The very nature of capitalism is that it's unsustainable. We're running up a bill and one day soon it's going to have to be paid.

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago

The very nature of capitalism is that it’s unsustainable

Again, this is a feature of (almost) all economic systems. With appropriate regulation and government incentives, it's not a problem.

We have probably hit peak fossil fuels this year. Every year henceforth, fossil fuel use will go down. Why? Capitalism. Competition in solar panel and wind turbine manufacture and installation, prompted by government incentives and private charitable action, has made renewable energy cheaper than fossil fuels.

Capitalism is a tool that we can use, and when it's under control it works.

Also, credit where credit is due, China's autocratic version of capitalism has done better than America's laissez faire or Europe's social democratic capitalism in this regard. But it's still capitalism.

[-] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago

No downvote. I 100% agree.

[-] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I will add. Saying a system is flawed because it can't prevent any number of unintended outcomes only proves all systems are inherently flawed. Like it or not a robust system isn't just one simplified into anarchy but has measures in place to minimize unintended results and maximize desired outcomes. This all happens in practice. A robust system accounts for the need to make measured adjustments that won't eliminate the bad but reduce it to more acceptable levels.

Trying to achieve the perfect system will only drive you straight into the hands of a flawed one.

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