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submitted 3 days ago by 0x4E4F@infosec.pub to c/linux@lemmy.ml

Official statement regarding recent Greg' commit 6e90b675cf942e from Serge Semin

Hello Linux-kernel community,

I am sure you have already heard the news caused by the recent Greg' commit 6e90b675cf942e ("MAINTAINERS: Remove some entries due to various compliance requirements."). As you may have noticed the change concerned some of the Ru-related developers removal from the list of the official kernel maintainers, including me.

The community members rightly noted that the quite short commit log contained very vague terms with no explicit change justification. No matter how hard I tried to get more details about the reason, alas the senior maintainer I was discussing the matter with haven't given an explanation to what compliance requirements that was. I won't cite the exact emails text since it was a private messaging, but the key words are "sanctions", "sorry", "nothing I can do", "talk to your (company) lawyer"... I can't say for all the guys affected by the change, but my work for the community has been purely volunteer for more than a year now (and less than half of it had been payable before that). For that reason I have no any (company) lawyer to talk to, and honestly after the way the patch has been merged in I don't really want to now. Silently, behind everyone's back, bypassing the standard patch-review process, with no affected developers/subsystem notified - it's indeed the worse way to do what has been done. No gratitude, no credits to the developers for all these years of the devoted work for the community. No matter the reason of the situation but haven't we deserved more than that? Adding to the GREDITS file at least, no?..

I can't believe the kernel senior maintainers didn't consider that the patch wouldn't go unnoticed, and the situation might get out of control with unpredictable results for the community, if not straight away then in the middle or long term perspective. I am sure there have been plenty ways to solve the problem less harmfully, but they decided to take the easiest path. Alas what's done is done. A bifurcation point slightly initiated a year ago has just been fully implemented. The reason of the situation is obviously in the political ground which in this case surely shatters a basement the community has been built on in the first place. If so then God knows what might be next (who else might be sanctioned...), but the implemented move clearly sends a bad signal to the Linux community new comers, to the already working volunteers and hobbyists like me.

Thus even if it was still possible for me to send patches or perform some reviews, after what has been done my motivation to do that as a volunteer has simply vanished. (I might be doing a commercial upstreaming in future though). But before saying goodbye I'd like to express my gratitude to all the community members I have been lucky to work with during all these years.

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[-] kattfisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 day ago

You might be surprised to learn that Sweden also has sanctions against Russia, together with the rest of the EU, Norway, Switzerland, Japan, Australia, South Korea and a bunch of other countries. Because this is not about the US being an ass, it's about Russia being an ass.

You don't get it. It's the lack of transparency about kicking these people out, not the kicking these people out, that is the problem. Who made the decision?

It makes sense to sanction Russia for being an ass but the way this was done doesn't feel open, and many people sense it.

[-] 0x4E4F@infosec.pub -1 points 1 day ago

I wasn't saying that Russia is not an ass, I was just saying that the whole point of open source is that it's above borders and nationalities, religion, sexual orientation, etc. It should be an imperative to keep these core values, not bend over backwards when even no warning has been issued, which I'm fairly certain it would have never happened. And on top of that, Linus'es reaction to them being Russian, I mean... come on!

[-] kattfisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago

I'm sorry but that is absolutely not "the whole point of open source".

The point of open source is the ability to read, modify, keep and share the source code of the software you use.

[-] secretlyaddictedtolinux@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

These projects are so big and complex that even with open-code a malicious actor is sometimes able to insert damaging code. Who suddenly made this decision? Did the US government order them to do this? If the US government can order them to do this, can they order the elevated coding status of a "benevolent" contributor on the US government payroll who is then ordered to put in a very hard to detect exploit? Open code doesn't mean exploit free, it means exploits are more likely to be patched.

[-] kattfisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

May I suggest you spend more effort understanding the situation, and less coming up with wild speculations?

[-] Auli@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago

Where does this idea the open source is not political and above boarders. Open source is very political in its nature.

[-] 0x4E4F@infosec.pub 1 points 15 hours ago

Political as in freedom to contribute, not political as in "we're banning devs because they work for someone we don't like".

[-] rhys@mastodon.rhys.wtf 0 points 15 hours ago

@0x4E4F @Auli I think it's a bit more like, "We're banning specific named individuals from being maintainers because they work for companies on an international sanctions list."

[-] 0x4E4F@infosec.pub 1 points 15 hours ago

Even if that is the case, that doesn't mean that their code or the code they approve is garbage. I don't care who you are or who you work for. What you do in your life outside of open source is your own business. Quality of code is what matters in open source.

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