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submitted 4 years ago* (last edited 4 years ago) by thelasthoxhaist@hexbear.net to c/the_dunk_tank@hexbear.net

here is the link, its locked by the way beware of the quasi-fascists that are the western europeans

edit: its really easy to attract the islamophobes in this chat

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[-] Saif@hexbear.net 0 points 4 years ago* (last edited 4 years ago)

race is a social construct and not a biological one, and if you spend 5 seconds looking at the Western discourse you will see that Muslims have undergone racialization. how have you missed this?

[-] Amorphous@hexbear.net 0 points 4 years ago

ok, if they're a race then they don't have religious rules i need to respect because races are something you are born into and not sets of beliefs that you follow and impose on others

[-] Saif@hexbear.net 1 points 4 years ago

sure, if that's the tack you want to go on. now that we've established islam has been racialized, and that it's extremely obvious that plastering drawings of Muhammad on the walls has been weaponized as form of racial oppression (again take 5 seconds to look at the discourse), can we agree it's fucking racist to do it? and there's precedence of course - culture is a fickle thing and anything can be turned into a slur with enough effort by racists, and we're not even talking about a word, we're talking about elaborately drawing something lmao.

[-] Amorphous@hexbear.net 0 points 4 years ago

sure, if that’s the tack you want to go on. now that we’ve established islam has been racialized, and that it’s extremely obvious that plastering drawings of Muhammad on the walls has been weaponized as form of racial oppression

why is it racial oppression to draw pictures of some guy? it's against muslims religious beliefs, but we're not talking about a religion here, we're talking about a race.

[-] Saif@hexbear.net 1 points 4 years ago

because racists have turned it into racial oppression? i just said culture is a fickle thing and this is how racial slurs and racial oppression develops, just look at blackface.

[-] Amorphous@hexbear.net 0 points 4 years ago

blackface is mockery of a specific race's features. drawing muhammad is mockery of a specific religion's rules. how is there any similarity?

[-] Saif@hexbear.net 1 points 4 years ago

i don't know how many times i have to keep saying this - racial oppression develops culturally, meaning there could be no logic to it but it becomes racist anyway due to the usage by racists for that purpose. for example, a lot of slurs have literally no etymological meaning, such as the "G" word used against Asians. you are trying to make racism seem logical, when it isn't and never has been.

[-] Amorphous@hexbear.net 0 points 4 years ago

so when and how am i allowed to criticize those who wish to impose their religious rules on me?

[-] Saif@hexbear.net 1 points 4 years ago

it's just a word guys stop imposing your rules on me i can say it whenever i want

[-] Amorphous@hexbear.net 0 points 4 years ago
[-] DerEwigeAtheist@hexbear.net 1 points 4 years ago

Can't you read?

[-] Saif@hexbear.net 1 points 4 years ago

no, but being black could be described as a "din" interestingly enough, which Islam describes itself as, as the English word "religion" and its connotations did not exist in classical Arabic. Would you like to learn things from an Islamic perspective, considering you "have never knowingly interacted with a muslim"?

[-] Amorphous@hexbear.net 0 points 4 years ago

ok so how do i state my disinterest in following their religious rules without being racist?

[-] DerEwigeAtheist@hexbear.net 1 points 4 years ago

No one asks that you follow ramadan don't work on fridays or quit eating pork. You can even draw mohammed in your own home. But drawing muhammad in our society with it's context has been made into a racist attack on Muslims. I don't know if dogwhistle is the right term, but it is similar, i think.

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