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Where’s the critique coming from? The Wiki seems to have nothing but positive things to say. Might be an error. Ironic.
It’s from https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources#Media_Bias/Fact_Check
I think the perennial sources list gets a lot more attention than the wiki page for MBFC itself, and probably the standards for judging it reliable are higher.
I read that. My best guess is that this is either an error that hasn’t been updated in light of empirical studies corroborating MBFC’s reliability, or more likely any self-published list gets the “unreliable” sticker automatically.
Also, making claims about “a consensus” without sourcing these claims is mighty suspicious. Disappointed.
They're saying the parts mbfc uses other data from is fine, like the fact checking matching others as they all use the same source. But the rest like bias can't be trusted as it's just their own unscientific methods.
They're not saying that. How did you summarize 23 words using 39 words, and get the summary wrong?
They're saying that there is no external professional vouching for MBFC's conclusions, which is their usual gold standard for things being "reliable." And that, on top of that, people within Wikipedia have specifically pointed out flaws with how MBFC does things, without any of the qualifications and categories that you added.
I'm trying to summarize the wiki reasoning/what's in the wiki page about mbfc criticisms
Got it, that does make sense. You should know, though, that Wikipedia on the content side is a different thing from Wikipedia on the talk page side.
People can have nice things to say about a source in their Wikipedia page about the source, on the content side, while there’s still a consensus on the talk page side that the source is unreliable and shouldn’t be used for sourcing claims about other matters on other Wikipedia pages. The big table that I and someone else linked to are good summaries of the consensus on the talk page side, which is what’s most relevant here.
Yes! You have successfully found the content page. If only someone had kindly explained to you that there's a whole other side of Wikipedia which is more relevant to this discussion. It would have been nice for you to be able to have a whole patient explanation about how it all works.
Fuck off back to reddit
Yes! That is an extremely productive attitude when someone tries to explain to you how Wikipedia works, and then when you seem to miss the point, gets a little more pointed about it in hopes that you will pick it up and realize that you missed something, and learn a useful nugget of information relevant to our current discussion.
It seems you're happy with how much you already know, in life, because you are committed to not learning anything else beyond your present level of achievement. Congratulations! I hope this approach serves you well, and I look forward to seeing how much and how far you can get with it.
Treating others like a child and being a pedantic asshole will usually get you that response.
It's amazing how many words you use to also say nothing
Actually: I changed my mind. I'm going to give this a real response.
I didn't treat you like a child. I explained what was going on, and you seem to have a mentality where someone who's explaining something to you that you don't know is "treating you like a child" or "being a pedantic asshole."
That's entirely on you. Most people, once they reach adulthood, are able to listen to something even if they don't already know it, able to learn from the world. I was a little bit snarky talking to you initially, but then I felt bad when I realized you just didn't know how Wikipedia worked, and were operating on some bad assumptions, but what you were thinking made actually perfect logical sense. Go back and read my "Got it, that does make sense" message. I read your message, I got where you were coming from, and like I said, I realized you just didn't know something, and I tried to help you understand it.
You have to let go of that mentality where someone who's telling you something you didn't already know is offensive, and you have to try to seize the upper hand and try to explain something back to them, or decide they're being a jerk or something or it needs to be a hostile interaction. That's going to make it impossible for you to learn. It also makes a lot of interactions more stressful than they need to be.
I realize that this whole message is explaining more stuff to you, which you probably won't react well to. But like I said, that's on you. If you were willing to absorb this, it would help you.
Yes!
I said plenty, you just can't hear it. Oh well. I tried.
Tell me you have no idea how Wikipedia works, without telling me you have no idea.
You're putting trust in the stuff that doesn't mean very much, and "best guess"ing that the stuff that is dependable is not.