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submitted 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) by SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world to c/politics@lemmy.world

I've often assumed Harris didn't want to insult her boss by going against him, because I got the impression she was planning to give Netanyahu what for once she took over - especially with him escalating things further and further. Did anyone else get that vibe, or was it just wishful thinking on my part?

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[-] partial_accumen@lemmy.world -1 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

And that surrendering is why centrist democrats lose.

Weren't both Obama and Biden both Centrist democrats? If they lose how do you account for 12 years of the presidency. Even if we count the new trump presidency, that still means 66% of the last 24 years (counting until 2028 now) has been Centrist Democrats. If anything, your logic says that Centrist democrats win more often than not using this method.

[-] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 7 points 4 weeks ago

Worldwide, we're seeing electorates that are rejecting establishment candidates. It's been that way since at least 2016, and really since the start of and response to the Great Recession. Obama ran as an outsider. He governed as a centrist, but he didn't really run as one initially. And Biden only won because of the pandemic. If it weren't for the pandemic, Trump would have won in 2020.

[-] kreskin@lemmy.world 0 points 4 weeks ago

Agreed. Bidens history as a legislator is actually pretty loathsome. Its some sort of miracle that he was elected the first time.

[-] Eatspancakes84@lemmy.world 4 points 4 weeks ago

Obama campaigned on a platform of change. He promised healthcare and (very importantly at that time) to pull troops from Iraq/Afghanistan. His campaign was very aspirational, even if his first term in office was not. That campaign won in Indiana and Ohio, to give an idea of the popularity of these ideas. Biden won by a very small nr of voters in the swing states running against a (at that time) very unpopular president.

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