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What are the "AK-47" of items? (cheap, durable, just works)
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Can confirm with the old thinkpads. They're not great for gaming, but the keyboard, track pack, and eraser head are solid for writing and other office-like work.
The old part really does a lot of work here. New ThinkPads are utter trash :-/
I got excited to get one for work (having heard about the old ones) and was sorely disappointed. It thermal throttles if you look at it wrong, it keeps having BIOS issues with Lenovo being no help and the USB-C display connection (To a Lenovo monitor with their inbuilt docking station!) is iffy.
Which series? T/P or one of the economy options? The T, X, W, and later on P series have been the only models people really like.
We have a few T series at work and they’re not bad. My T14 Gen. 1 doesn’t thermal throttle at all as long as its thermal paste isn’t toast. It will run at basically its full all core boost speeds all day long. The newer 12th Gen. machines dial their clocks back a smidge under full load, but that’s because they have 2x the cores of my measly 10th Gen. machine.
Also I have a T14s AMD and that thing is a BEAST for such a small machine. 35 watts out of an AMD 6 core is no slouch for something that small. And I easily get 7+ hours of battery life out of my abusive use.
Ah, T15 Gen1 with 48 GB RAM. The Intel CPU throttles hard unfortunately, I'd much rather switch to AMD (or a desktop..).
Fortunately the company has so many issues with Lenovo, they are switching to Dell now.
Change your thermal paste. These machines (as do all modern machines) run hot, and their paste doesn’t last long if you’re a heavy user. Find a thermal paste that’s thick in particular.
The pump out effect is really drastic on these modern CPUs if you’re constantly hitting 100% load.
Dude, I'm not opening up my work laptop. It's going to be replaced in a year anyway.
The thing has been a piece of shit when it was brand new, it's not the paste.
Are you on Windows or Linux? On windows 11 go to settings > power and battery > power mode and if you set it to high performance it almost doubles the TDP of the CPU. On windows 10 click the battery and drag the slider to high performance. If what I read online is correct the T14 and the T15 are the exact same heatsink and motherboard so unless the 1" gap from the end of the heatsink to the vent is that much of a problem they should perform exactly the same, just like the later T14 and T16 models. But 4 years is more than enough time for the thermal paste to be toast. My P1 ruined it's paste in less than 6 months, but that's also an i9.
But that's the world of modern Intel CPUs. Turbo boost as far as you possibly can until you can't turbo anymore. Then in 6 months when the thermal paste is ruined you're searching for a new machine.
Windows 11, but I already tested out every combination of settings. Windows settings and BIOS CPU settings. Most high performance settings make things just a tiny bit faster, while the laptop blasts the fan at full speed (the fan sucks too, it's too loud for what it does).
The cooling just sucks, the CPU boosts and then runs straight into thermal throttling and has to cut back. It has been like this since day 1, maybe it got worse in the past 2 years, but it was never good in the first place. Colleagues with the same model had plenty of issues too (and the lead sent it back to the IT department and demanded one model higher up with a beefier CPU, but he's also not happy with it).
It's a 3 year lease, the laptop will be gone in a year and then hopefully I can choose my next one. Unfortunately it doesn't seem like Dell is currently offering models with AMD CPUs..
I was just blaming the usb-c connection to my monitor and throttling on a combo of windows and corporate bloatware, I guess I feel a bit better that I'm not the only one.
The connection to my monitor is the most frustrating, sometimes won't even recognise it, sometimes after blanking the display it'll come back with the wrong resolution but still display like it was the original, it's super bizarre. Literally never had an issue with my personal Asus zenbook in either Debian or w11.
I have two new P1 Gen 7's coming today, i hope they have fixed that
They didn’t. They did kinda change the goalpost though.
Which model did you get? The i7 or the i9? The i7 models have a minimum guaranteed TDP of 28 watts, while the i9 is at least 35. But 35 watts on such a high end CPU is dire. The Gen. 7 also killed their high end GPU options, but maybe that leaves more power headroom for the CPU.
That’s still better than my P1 Gen. 4 which throttles down to 25 watts. 25 watts on an 11th Gen. i9 is AWFUL performance.
i9 with the 4070 GPU
Let me know how the thermals are on that machine. I ended up paying out the ass for a refurbished gen 6 because it comes with the 4090 and a MUCH bigger heatsink. From what I saw initially in the reviews the performance is worse not just because the 100 series has worse IPC, but the machine doesn't actually boost as much since it's more thermally limited.
HOWEVER the machine gets a LOT better battery.
My gen 4 would get anywhere between 30 minutes and 2 hours of battery life unless I'm doing literally nothing on it. This gen 6 gets like 4 hours unless I'm heavily taxing it. But from people online I saw them say 7 hours is easily doable. And having a GPU that doesn't use 20 watts sitting idle sure helps.
Anything specific you'd like me to test?
The only thing I'm really curious about is how far back the CPU gets throttled with the dGPU active and busy.
On both of my machines when I render a video using my GPU the CPU is still the limiting factor because of the codec I chose. On my 11th gen machine it took like 5 minutes before it was power throttled down to 25 watts. My gen 6 takes longer to power throttle and only goes down to 35 watts, but either power level that sucks. I already know the gen 7 dials back the clock speeds, but I'm mostly curious how far it goes and how quickly?
The easiest way to test this is just open a video game that's taxing on the CPU and GPU, I don't think the CPU throttles with light loads like if you opened furmark. Maybe benchmarking software would cause it to throttle.
Hmm, yes, "eraser head"... That's what I call it too.
I definitely don't call it the mouse clit. Who would call it that?
Certainly not me.
How old? I want one, but there are a lot of models
Newest you can afford. T and P models, or X if you can.
The newer ones are actually less well-built.
I have a T14 Gen 3 from work to confirm with. It's definitely not bad, but not as rugged.
Meanwhile, for personal use, I got a X230, and a W530, and they are much more solid. A lot of people said that T480 is the "last great Thinkpad", but I don't have one so I cannot confirm this.
I don't really disagree, but as time goes by, those old ones show their age more and more. I'm using the same one as you for work, and I got a T580 off eBay for personal (replaces my T430s). I don't know what I'd get if not for used Thinkpads though. One day maybe I can afford/justify one of those boutique Linux laptops.
Edit: I briefly had a T480 and it had problems with the display... apparently widespread.
It does shows signs of aging, but not as bad as the other laptops of the same era.
I haven't heard of the T480 display problem until now, but then again, I've never had it myself.
I bought a T480 coming on a year ago as my first ThinkPad. I'm pretty happy with it, feels rugged and I've now fully conditioned myself to using the TrackPoint. Happy with the weight of it for the screen size, I have the 1080p one and it's not bad at all.
My work device is a L14 Gen 3 with the Ryzen 5 something and it's okay. I don't like the flatter TrackPoint buttons but they're still more than usable. I actually dropped it from about waist height from my car, and apart from some scuffs on the corners it's still completely functional.
I do miss the media keys and CPU upgradability of my old Latitude E6420 (had that bad boy up to an i7-2760QM, 16GB DDR3, 512GB SSD) but it was just so bulky in comparison and the screen maxed out at only 1600x900 (which yes, I upgraded on it too).
One more thing for me to go on a tangent about, ThinkPad X240 was a poor choice as a secondary. I thought I wouldn't care about the weird touchpad but it's barely usable for me, either as a touchpad or TrackPoint. I'm selling that shit on to get either an X220 or X250 onwards, depending on what comes up.
Oh hey! I used to have a Latitude E6430! I've seen my college buddy's E6420 and they're not too far apart (we'd get these upcycled laptops when we're lucky from a local e-waste company).
I can vouch for their ruggedness. Definitely not on par with Thinkpads, but they're pretty up there.
I didn't get the chance to upgrade much aside from the RAM and SSD, handed it down to a friend in need while upgrading my arsenal to Thinkpads.
One thing that bothered me is how heavy it is for a 14 inch laptop; that bezel is humongous. Also, it stings then I touch the palmrest wrong while charging.
Yeah the E6430, as far as I understand it, was mainly a chipset upgrade to support Ivy Bridge processors, with some additional niceties like USB 3.0 and minor cosmetic differences.
I also had that sting from it too! Usually when it was on charge, I just always thought it was some kind of static electricity or otherwise some poor grounding.
I bought a T14 Gen 2 on eBay for about $250. It can play some older games like Morrowind, but I mostly use it for book writing, D&D games, video downloading/ripping/burning, browsing, and such.
I put Linux Mint on mine and it runs like a dream.
I had one that lasted for 12 years. By the end it was more of a media centre connected to my TV, but still.