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You know damn well this isn't about surgery. It's about hormones, and it says so right there in the summary. You didn't even have to click the link. Nobody is doing breast implants on trans minors (only on cis minors, which is perfectly fine for some reason).
Forcing a trans kid to go through the wrong puberty even though they know they are trans is extremely traumatic. It's life ruining. It alters the voice, the shape of the torso, the shape of the face, and facial and body hair in ways that either can't be fixed at all, or can only be fixed with expensive surgeries later on.
And if you want people to be absolutely sure about their status before going on hormone replacement therapy, then that is exactly what puberty blockers are for. Leuprorelin prevents puberty so that the kid can figure themself out for a year or two, and then make sure they go through the correct puberty. Even if they decide not to be transgender in the end, they can just go off leuprorelin and start puberty.
You're against things that alter kids minds and bodies? Like puberty? Well luckily there's a way to stop that! Puberty blockers, which have been safely used for decades and are considered a medical necessity by WPATH as well as many other health organizations!
Why are we debating this at all, shouldn’t it be the decision of the parents? You don’t agree, that’s fine, you can tell your kids no. If someone else looks at the evidence and believes it’s true, and believes this is hugely beneficial to their kid, why should the government have a say in their kid’s medical treatment?
This is a separate topic, and a big fucking no. You assume parents actually know what's best for their kids and want that, but look around, most of these people voting for these bans are parents as well.
Parents can't and shouldn't be blindly trusted.
And if the parent thinks otherwise where it is legal?
Kids aren't the parents' property.
Obviously it would only be if the doctors and parents approved together. Point being, the government is stepping in and overriding my parental rights and my doctor’s recommendation just because someone else does not agree.
And I don’t see parents voting for bans, none of these have been initiatives. These are law makers.
No it should not be the decision of the parents, it should be the decision of the patient and their doctors.
Yes, definitely agree it should require the doctor to approve as well, and the child should also consent. The point is that the government is interfering with both parents and doctors by stepping in. Feels very much like your body, my choice here.
We have this in every country. In America it's called the American Medical Association. It's been invented already. There's even specific subgroups and organizations of doctors and such that advocate for people who have particular problems and troubles, like the Multiple Sclerosis Research Society, the World Professional Association for Transgender Health, and the American Stroke Organization. These things exist and they help people.
But you think I'm an AI, don'tcha? I'm not even snidely insulting you in this one. I'm trying to help in good faith.
Then again, you're not here in good faith, so what can I do?
(The answer is to keep this here in case anyone is reading in good faith, and they can benefit from this comment. Guess I'm not really writing about you at all.)
By politically isolated I'm going to assume you just mean conversion therapists who will try to convince children they are not gay or trans. Because if you're not giving them affirmative care and listening to them the alternative is denying them.
Conversion therapy kills people. That's what it does. That's all it does. It is NOT possible to stop someone from being gay or trans. It has never been shown to be possible in any fucking way. Conversion therapy does not work, has never worked, and is equivalent in mental distress to severe psychological torture. It frequently involves physical and sexual assault. It involves emotional abuse and manipulation. All in service of forcing us to conform. This is the alternative. If you're against affirmative care this is what you're for. Think about telling these people that what happened to them was right. Think about going to the lived ones of people who took their lives while undergoing conversion therapy. Think about telling them that what happened is right and should be legal. This is what you're advocating for. This is the side that you're on.
This is exactly why I am luck to have citizenship so we can emigrate to the UK. My daughter is queer (not trans, but they will come for all queer people eventually) and the UK is working to outlaw conversion therapy.
I wish I could take every queer person, especially every trans person, with us.
Are you sure about the UK squid? Wasn't there a huge ordeal there for not extending the conversion therapy ban to transgender care? That's what I had read.
My daughter is not transgender. She defines herself (at 14, she's still figuring things out) as omnisexual, but she's only ever been interested in girls.
And yeah, they'll go after the trans people first, but they won't stop there.
Sure, ok, just don't fool yourself thinking the place is safe. Transgender people have been targeted with all the hate right enough, but things are not as chill for gay people as they used to be either.
I think the country banning conversion therapy for children is safer than the one that might force children to go to it.
I am sorry that people have to choose the lesser of two evils, yet here we are.