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Yesterday I started looking into trans acceptance and understanding in china. I came across articles about Jin Xing, china first trans clinic for minors (opened in 2021), China's laws regarding obtaining HRT or GRS (mostly western sources), searched Bilibili and Baidu (videos) using the terms 同志, 變性 and 跨性别 combing through the comments. Finally looking through the stories of trans people who visited or worked in china.

I was surprised to find lots of roadblocks for trans people attempting to get HRT, GRS, change there paperwork etc. For example if you want to obtain HRT in china as a trans women you must notify your family, get written acceptance, prove you have no criminal record and undergo psychological treatment. This leads to a lot of trans people getting HRT online. However as of 2022 estradiol and cyproterone where added to a list making it illegal to obtain online.

The comment sections of videos on the topic are pretty bad id say similar to transphobic comments left in videos in America. The stories of non passing trans people who traveled to china getting mocked, belittled or in some cases having the police called on them. All of this shocked me and due to the language barrier I attempted to look past some of the comments or dismiss some of the horror stories.

It appears to me that china is severely behind on Trans acceptance and that's why I'd like to open this up as a discussion on the matter as I am only one person who understands little mandarin or other Chinese dialects and would greatly appreciate any information on the matter.

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[-] Jonathan12345@lemmygrad.ml 38 points 1 year ago

As an ethically chinese person and someone who wholeheartedly supports the CPC,

many Chinese are extremely socially conservative. It's a miracle the CPC has done anything at all with the sheer amount of straight-out conservatism that's prevalent. Just look at all the people who are worried about 'Western Wokeness'.

[-] SovereignState@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 1 year ago

ethically Chinese

I know what you meant, I just found this very funny.

[-] Jonathan12345@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 1 year ago

Yeah lol, just wanted to clarify I'm living in burgerland. I've been to China once or twice and it's a super nice place.

[-] SovereignState@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 1 year ago

nah nah like Ethical Chinese, as opposed to the unethically Chinese

[-] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 year ago

But mah ughighgyhurs

[-] idahocom@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You can't really attribute this to conservatism when traditional Chinese values are generally much more accepting of trans[2] and gay people[1] than their western counterparts. It's similar to the situation in India where westerners spread their homophobic ideals through their colonies and in the modern day through their media power, and we get the blame for it. Bilibili and Baidu comments are generally made up of xenophile liberals (they have polandball videos on bilibili for pete's sake). Although I will admit casual transphobia was pretty common at least circa 2010s.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Ai_of_Han#The_rise_of_Dong_Xian

 MLM relationships generally didn't carry a stigma in ancient times. I can't really cite anything on attitudes towards other LGBTQ+ people 

though.

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jin_Xing

This is more recent but she's a trans celebrity widely loved by boomers.
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