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You can have concerns with the bias of the source but it's relevant for discussion. It's not like you say, you walk a razor of financially guarded privledge there, and many folks do not live as you describe.
You're describing the advertised, candy coated version.
Late edit: to compare the authoritarian concerns in UAE / Dubai to the US is disrespectful to folks who live there.
Even later edit, I bet you didn't see this cause you downvoted me the moment i posted lol,
It's not a requirement to be Afghanistan-bad to be still a very problematic place, and comparing the private liberties of either to America is a miss.
No. While there is a ton of inequality, there, it still does not change the fact that UAE is not Iran or Afghanistan, it doesn’t matter if you’re rich or poor, the police will still not arrest you for holding hands in public, police will not stop to ask you if you’re married to the girl you’re with, and if you’re having sex outside of marriage literally nobody will care. UAE does not have morality police like Saudi did. You failing to make this distinction undermines the rest of your argument. As to this story, the police in any country would take notice if a woman called and said her daughter is underage and with a man in a foreign country, so it’s not surprising he got detained and the story progressed from there.
Out of respect, I had late edits focused on the relativism between countries.
Uae / Dubai is a authoritarian surveillance state far beyond the US or any western country. They have the money to be "pro" about it and don't need roving squads of cops making street arrests. That doesnt mean the civil liberties of many aren't adjacent to the likes of other worse authoritarian theocracies.
Regarding the later point, I agree, if given a reputable concern from the family, I don't fault Dubai for making legitimate inquiries, based on evidence.
Aside from those specifics, There is no reason to defend these countries, they won't reward you.
Yes, UAE is an authoritarian dictatorship surveillance state that not accountable to its people and meddles in multiple foreign wars and runs its own mini Guantanamo. All of this is true. BUT the above comments that they’re tracking people to see if they’re having sex and arresting them for it is simply false. Not every dictatorship has morality police, and UAE certainly doesn’t. The police are well aware of the drugs and prostitution in Dubai and let it happen. Can we all agree on this? Because I don’t want to defend this dictatorship, but this conversation always circles back to generic racism against Arabs (as if they’re all like Saudi or Taliban) and Islamophobia (since people assume the religion is at fault despite UAE being a secular dictatorship) and I’m trying to make that distinction here.
I can agree with money and proper handling you can do most anything there.
I can also acknowledge the state sponsored shadow class of people who have zero autonomy (like ability travel or marry at will) and the razor thin line of favor that can yeet you from the candy coated liberal fun ride into full on authoritarian handling, for almost zero reason but political displeasure. I will also acknowledge that that isn't exactly what happened here, but my (not sure if in this chain) comment that they surveil and interview for infractions is unchanged.
In closing I'll clarify I have no ill will towards those of Arab decent but all religion can fuck right off, it's a vehicle for oppression and nothing more. I'm not islamiphobic , I'm just aware of what the presence of religion always means. I agree that they are officially secular, but it bears discussion that they are heavily influenced by Islamic motivated norms (for example Muslim women there cannot marry a non Muslim, but Muslim men can marry out), which is literally always distasteful. Same as in America with evangelicals.
I don’t like being made to defend anything UAE does, they’re a corrupt dictatorship with racism and classism. But blaming any of their idiocy on religion is stupid; the rulers don’t follow any of it and they’re secular because there’s nothing in the religion authorizing their behavior.
Islam grants specific minimum human rights; and women are enshrined some specific rights like the right to their own property and who they choose to marry etc. Other religions lack these, so a Muslim woman marrying into a non Muslim family can’t be guaranteed those protections as well as the worldwide custom that the husband choose the religion to raise the children (this is in all cultures and religions), so as a result of all these reasons it’s considered a sin as well as a bad idea for a Muslim woman to marry a non-Muslim man. Its a reality even if you find the de facto reality distasteful.